Western Europe Go to Hell

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by EvilAztec, Aug 26, 2013.

  1. Ostap Bender

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    As a Christian I refuse to talk with a devil avatar.
     
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    UK is more police state, many US or Netherlands conservatives got denying entries into UK.
     
  3. Vlad Ivx

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    It's comforting to see there's still places where people still believe in something unlike plainly atheist Europe.
     
  4. EvilAztec

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    Yep.Just enough to remember about video surveillance in London .It's just paranoia. I have no doubt the same cameras are having place to be even in public toilets of London.LOL
     
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    Careful or you'll start another reality TV show.

    The cameras are there because it's policing on the cheap. For example nowadays if you want to join a constabulary you have to be a special volunteer constable and then wait (2-3) years for a place to open up before you can be bobby and of course you still have to go through training.

    I mean that's just one example on how underfunded the police actually is. It's a not to dissimilar story for the armed forces.
     
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    You explained all your problems with riot-vandals .In Russia we have a lot of problems with criminals , but i don't remeber something similar riots that you have in London time after time.
    Our police may be a little bit slow than yours but in action they more tough .
     
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    Believe it or not the damage that was incurred back in 2011 wasn't actually that bad.
    Some looting with alot of shop windows broken. And yes that building in S.London was pretty dramatic but that was it.

    Well the run of the mill bobby is not meant to be tough because that's what the courts are for. Sometimes this doesn't work so well.

    But that being said our firearms officers do have a reputation for being too aggressive. In fact that's what caused the aforementioned riots.
     
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    Nothing contributed but denigration.
    Substantiate your outrageous claim, if at all possible, or go away.
    This is about debate, not insults and evasion.
     
  9. stroll

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    It's not 'conservatives', but racist rightwing extremist who are denied entry, and not 'many', but 2 or 3.
    Get your facts right.
     
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    My opinion is - People needs to be tolerate only within of law ,everything beyond of law is a crime. The wave of violence will make the same from another side.
    If some drunk punk waving its pistol in front of policeman or make another anti law action ,similar a saying offensive words to policeman ,so that is really true that punk deserves punishment.
     
  11. stroll

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    "Atheist" Europe, hahahaha - there are about 7/percent atheists in the EU.
    Inform yourself, here;s a good start:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_European_Union
     
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    [video=youtube;5ZatvNDzVls]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZatvNDzVls[/video]
     
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    Which is what happens in the UK although we do need to have a sterner judicial system.

    Actually after the riots quite alot of people were prosecuted even those that came forward and confessed.

    And yes the law is there for a reason and a good one too.

    Btw Cebit na, privet ka dela EvilAztec. Is that correct? I'd quite like to study Russian at some point as well as Arabic.
     
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    On Russian more correct - Privet EvilActec.
    Well, Privet Pro-Consul. Wish you to be well - Zhelayu vam choroshegho zdorovia.
     
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    I vam. basiba EvilAztec
     
  16. Vlad Ivx

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    Wiki cites where the figures come from - take issue with the original sources. Your claim that Europe is 'atheist', however, gets 0 out of ten - there is nothing to support your off-hand claim, it's complete fantasy and fabrication. Not a great contribution to debate, it says more about one's bias and unwillingness to inform oneself.
     
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    No (*)(*)(*)(*). You ever been to Europe? Have you?

    Depends on whether you classify Muslims as Europeans because of citizenship. They are all very religious indeed. Don't forget Africans and Asians either.
     
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    Wow, there are so many prejudices, assumptions and innuendos in this comment, I don't even know where to start without throwing up.

    Yep, I have lived in Europe for 40 years and am in Germany at the moment.
    Have YOU ever been in the West, outside some neo-nazi infested dump?

    Of course, Europeans who who follow the religion of Islam are Europeans, does one need to follow a particular brand of religion to qualify, or even have a certain skin, eye or hair colour to be European? lololol

    What about Africans and Asians? - more dumb stereotyping and prejudices to be posted soon? 5555
     
  20. Phil K

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    Eh ? What the hell are you talking about ?
     
  21. Vlad Ivx

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    There is so much paranoia in yours. You have no way of knowing what I meant by that comment yet you already overinterpret and judge. How's that for my freedom of expression?

    I think you're the one who narrows down vision of society to just black and white, backwards and modern, pre-1945 and post-1945. This wasn't the topic anyway. But you chose to feel hurt when nobody hurt you. Maybe it's just your out of nowhere complex?


    Yes, Western and Northern Europe, Southern and all of Europe. Even studied in England 1 year.


    Sure sure...

    In official papers no. In every other way yes. Because otherwise it's dumb to consider the % of a continent's religion by that. What if I go to Japan, acquire citizenship, then call myself Jap? Wouldn't that make me look like an idiot to the Japanese people? Keep in mind that Japan was reformed politically by the United States.

    What if from tomorrow some Australians, Russians, Romanians, Polish, New Zealanders, let's say 43 million in all moved to Japan, adding to the 130 million Japanese? What if we then release some stats saying that a quarter of the Japanese people are Christian? Isn't that dumb?

    In Europe that number will soon be reached, possibly in just a few years. In some countries it is close to 33%.

    I'm not religious. I'm not atheist either. But when I talk about atheism I talk about the classical Europeans, not the newcomers. Every single person you ask in your beloved Western Europe, white ones, are vaguely agnostic at best. So yes, despite your way of looking at things, whiteness and atheism tend to go hand in hand. Sorry if reality is not in accordance with what you like to hear.


    Exotic religions reach Europe via them and tilt statistics. Nothing else. Don't worry I'm not a racist. I do welcome non-Europeans to stay in my country. We already see the number of blacks growing in Romania.

    But Western Europe is not as 'civilized' as you like to think it is. Keep in mind that in the United Kingdom, a party like the National Front is a fully-fledged political party with the same rights and valid voice as the mainstream ones.
     
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    Actually 0.6% of Japanese people follow Christianity. Just a bit of trivia.

    I don't think that we should allow people to stay in the UK, certainly to visit though.

    The national front holds a small number of supporters and has zero seats.
    It is only fair as a democracy that every opinion should be heard.

    But if you're going to make statement on how the UK is "not as civilized" then we should perhaps examine Romania and it's treatment of the Roma gypsies.

    There have been reports of police brutality against them and of course there's the infamous decision to build a wall around the community living in Baia Mare which is already a slum.
    The healthcare system even discriminates against them as well in terms of it's access.

    Hmm so if one country allows a party which lawfully expresses their views despite being unpopular to exist and then compare that to another country which actively oppresses an ethnic minority in their country.

    I wonder which is more civilized or maybe the question would which is less?
     
  23. Vlad Ivx

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    Oh thanks but I already knew that. Same everywhere. You obviously have it the other way around too, old Europeans following Buddhism, Hindu etc.

    Whooowhoo whooo why do you immediately feel so attacked...

    I put the word civilized between quotation marks if you didn't notice and I did that for a reason. Just in case you don't figure out, I did it to use the word in a way I believed stroll uses it in his mind.

    I didn't say Romania is civilized. Still a long way. Happy?
     
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    You see this phenomenon against gypsies in all areas witnessing the post-communist era. The Slovaks have built a ghetto too. Social classes are struggling to form once again in these countries after having been utterly destroyed some 60 years ago so what can you do... there is still time needed for people to grasp the fact that isolating gypsies, denying them jobs etc will not help the majority but it will encourage the gypsies towards crime. Actually most Romanians already think that way, especially the younger ones but still there's that lack of political will and a kind of apathy from the population towards this matter, I believe because there are still some other big problems that keep the attention some place else.

    But keep in mind that at least on official paper discrimination is highly prohibited, in full accordance with the EU law. Problem is that nobody enforces these laws. Being gypsy guarantees you exclusion from any kind of decent job. Gypsies are usually accepted only as garbage collectors and street cleaners. So if you want to have a successful life, as a Roma minority you can only have a life of crime.

    For once in my life I agree with Nigel Farage, that we treat gypsies like pigs, in a way that resembles the 1930s. But I'm not the president or the prime minister of this country either... If I had been either of these, things would be much different.
     
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    True. The world is getting smaller.

    Well generally speaking. I'm just a little bit tired of people who seem to think they know everything about the UK and then have the gall to denigrate us. I'm not saying that's what you've done though as I've misread your post.

    Ahh. Ok no worries, wires crossed and all. Although in my defence sarcasm is a difficult thing to execute on the internet.

    Well you don't have to go that far. I mean there are degrees of civilization. It's clear that the Roma are being poorly treated but you're not shooting them in the street.
     

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