Christianity & Islam Similarities

Well, I think this is in the spirit of this thread:

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/130907/world-faithful-fast-and-pray-peace-syria

 

Do they meet the criteria?


Do they proceed directly from a Godhead?

Superbly and perfectly good?

Existing beyond the material realm/dwelling in places inaccessible or invisible to humans?

Given exclusive dominion over specific places/occurances? Can alter the natural course of events by supernatural means?


They meet the criteria. They are a type of diety by definition.

 

So much wrong with your response here.
If gods must proceed from a godhead, then the Christian god does not qualify as he is thought to proceed from nothing, and man would be a god as he proceeds from god's image.
The Greek gods were not superbly and perfectly good. We're they not gods?
Where are angels given dominion?

 

1) The Christian god is considered the Godhead, so I agree, he does not qualify as a lesser deity.

2) Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

3) The greek gods, even flawed, are acknowledged as dieties. Do angels rank higher or lower than these? Is an angel then not a god, while still superior to those other gods?

4) Many religions have an angelic hierarchy and I could point to many belief structures where angels are appointed for seasons or localities, weather phenomena, war, love or death. I assume we are limiting the discussion the Christian theology, though? Revelations has plenty to offer. Also, the pronouncement of John's birth was appointed to Gabriel, specifically. Then, of course, there is the theology beyond the confines of the biblical text: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_angelic_hierarchy



We are well beyond the point, now. It is simply a fallacy to call Christianity a monotheistic religion. It has many dieties and supernatural beings. While only one god (technically 2) is worshipped, other dieties are acknowledged.

It is a monolatrist religion, acknowledging the existence of many divine beings

 

Christianity & Islam Similarities​

The only similarity I know is both Christianity and Islam are
Jewish heresies.


Moi

 

Hebrews 1 & 2

 

"both believe in One God"

not only do they "both believe in One God", they both believe in the same God, as they both evolved from the Jewish religion

 

I never looked at Christianity or Islam "evolving" from the Jewish religion per se---- but I definitely look at all three faiths as having the same, original message from One Creator- God.

 

The Romans didn't care about Jesus.. To them he was just another itinerant preacher. They just want the Jews to behave and pay their taxes.

 

The original message was that the Israelites/Hebrews/Jews were God's chosen and everyone else was dirt.

 

Not sure of the point you are trying to make.


If you are agreeing with me, I can see how this supports what I say. The Son and the Father are explained here as distinct from each other, so we have at least two deities.

The verses also support me in there being a heirarchy.

"Are not all angels spirits?" it states. While being ordained lesser in stature, they are still perfectly divine.

If you are disagreeing with me, you have not shown anything that disputes these beings possessing the nature of deities, even if they do not share the same reverence as Jesus.



I think that most people who have trouble with this do not really understand the concept of what a god is. A god is a conscious entity that can manipulate the material realm to a degree that man cannot because it is not limited to the physical boundaries of the material realm.

Being eternal, omnipotent, benevolent, all-knowing, are attributes of an ideal god, but are not necessary in order for a being to be categorized as a deity.

 

Our Holy Trinity; Father, Son and Holy Spirit is uncreated. Angels like man are created beings. As for the Greek gods, they represent the idols/demons that man worships above God...such as money, fame, scholarship, sports, etc. We are not to make graven images of them, but the Greeks did and even gave them human attributes.

 

This is your misguided interpretation. No one said everyone else was dirt. The Jews are God's chosen people because God first revealed Himself to them, and prepared them to bring Christ into the world.

 

Elijah is a created being, Christ is part of the Holy Trinity and therefore is uncreated.

 

You are basically saying that cheese and milk are the same because they both came from the same cow.

They both deviate from the source, but in unique ways that are mutually exclusive.

Muslims do not worship the Christian god, because the Christian god's attributes are incompatible with the way they define their ideal verson of an Ultimate Being. Likewise, Christians do not worship the Muslim god for the same reasons.

 

Please tell me you're a parodist

Based on your expressed beliefs that I've seen, I'd say your just some fundamentalist/cultist parroting some McChurch style crap from some cult leader pastor driving around in his limo counting all his loot - you sound pretty spiritually empty and ignorant

Oh you're Catholic? I never would've guessed - you sounded like one of those fundamentalist/cultists from one of those dime-a-dozen fundamental cults that are nothing more than a money-making racket, like Scientology

 

The Society of Jesus (Jesuits) was founded in 1540 by St. Ignatius Loyola of the Latin Church to combat the heresies of the reformation, so I don't know what you are talking about?

 

It is written that Elijah will come back, but as for the miracles, all glorified saints are given special 'gifts' by God such as curing the sick, bi locating themselves, clairvoyance. The disciples performed thousands upon thousands of miracles, as did the saints that came after them, otherwise Christianity would never have grown the way it did. These miracles continue through their intercession after their death, and that's why pilgrimages and shrines have always been so important in the ancient and original Churches.

 

If you want to shame it, just start talking about how Jesus and King James were black again, or how only blacks are "God's chosen"

 

Sorry dear, I belong the very foundation of Christianity. I am Greek Orthodox.

 

Eastern orthodox is the first formal Christian institution.

But there is no claim to the foundation of Christianity, unless you are claiming to be Jesus Hussein Christ, himself.

That's not a thing that any institution can have ownership.

 

It is all conjecture anyway but the angels were created to do the Deities work, unless you consider spirits as deities.


Genesis 2:1
Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. (NKJV)

Colossians 1:16
For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. (NIV)

Still I'm not prepared to disagree over various opinions on this, it's not that important.

 

The OT says not to make graven images of anything.
Crucifies, statues of the "Virgin Mary" abound. Like statues of greek gods.
What gives?

 

no, I am saying all three religions believe in the exact same God... are you saying God changed or that religion changed it's beliefs in that God?

even if you believe God changed, it's still the same God...

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The ancient statues represented gods, and they were worshipped. Basically they were the demons we idolize above god such as: Military prowess, money, glory, etc. To make human representations of these idols was part of the ancient Greco/Roman culture.

Since our God is a loving God, He wants people to come to Him in whichever way they could. And humanity being what it is, has to have something tangible to cling to, so the Church Fathers in their wisdom, substituted human representations of Christian prophets and martyrs for the ancient gods of the pagan world. Later on in the Protestant world this tangible item became the Bible. This could never have happened before the invention of the printing press, since Bibles were very costly and rare and people were illiterate...not to mention they were in Latin and Greek.

I know people were taught Bible stories in the Orthodox Churches through the Liturgy, which was always in the language of the people, and through paintings in the churches. The Latin Church had a different system. It believed the Church should be uniform and kept its Mass in Latin and taught the people in catechism classes.

During the eight and ninth century there was a movement to remove all human representations in the churches of the Eastern Empire and when they were restored I think they banned statues, but I'm not sure. We don't use them though, only icons.