How would a transgender 'girl' know that 'girls don't have a penis'?

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  1. SpaceCricket79

    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    (Or a transgender 'boy' know that boys don't have a vagina)

    As far as I know, the majority of 4-5 boys/girls aren't exposed to a lot of penises or vaginas at that age - one of the arguments I hear in favor of diagnosing a child as transgender is that they 'somehow think their genitals' are not right (ex. a boy trying to cut his penis off must be 'transgender'). Children 'learn' through visual/auditory senses - they aren't just 'born' with a detailed knowledge of all the differences between the sexes, secondary sex characteristics (in fact I vaguely remember as a very young child (3-5) even asking questions like "mommy do you have a penis?" - I'm sure this isn't uncommon for children either at a very young age)

    But at that age, prior to the onset of puberty or sex education - how would a boy or girl just "magically know" all of this about the other sex's genitals (unless maybe they were molested)? This right here is an example of just how trangenderism (or at very least, the diagnosis of very young children as 'transgender) is junk science on so many levels.
     
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    No, what it indicates is that your post has absolutely no scientific basis for it's claims whatsoever.
     
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    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    So what age did you first fully understand the difference between male and female genitals or sex characteristics? 3 years? 6 months? 1 second old? While you were still a fetus?
     
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    Umm, I have no idea. But I certainly always knew girls were not the same as boys.

    I fail to see how what you're talking about is relevant here.
     
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    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    What age did you "always" know that from - age 3? Age 1? When you mom was 6 months pregnant? And how did you "always know it"?

    Did you "always know" what the Eiffel Tower looked like - before ever first seeing a picture of it? Did you "always know" who George Washington is before ever having heard his name?

    Again you're either just being obstinate or you need to read up on how 'learning' works.
     
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    i saw me mum's bush hair in the bath when i was about four or five...
    i never actually saw what it really was made of..
    at six me dad taught me about sex...or was it 8....anyhow he said a man planted a seed in a woman and a baby grew...

    this was his first sex talk with me...when i got older they got more in depth...

    anyway i pictured the man sort of peeing on the woman's bush hair and like some sort of seed popped out the penis and the vaginal hair grabbed unto it and it went in and out the pee pee area until it rooted...

    i found thinking of my friend's mom and dad doing this rather funny and would kill myself laughing at them for doing it
     
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    Gender Identity once again rears its ugly head. It is entirely possible that a child with gender dysphoria could very well have an innate knowledge that their genitalia is not right. I welcome you to demonstrate that this is not the case before throwing around bizarrely veiled accusations of coaching and manipulation.
     
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    I'm not being obstinate at all.

    And I'm the last person here who needs to "read up" on anything.
     
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    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    Yeah just like I can have an "innate knowledge" of future events that'll happen 1000 years later- like Nostradamus. ROFLMAO! :lol:

    Um no, scientifically speaking "innate knowledge" is an oxymoron - people learn through their senses. So for a guy who constantly invokes "science" - you're throwing out some pretty unscientific bull(*)(*)(*)(*) right here.

    Prove that it is, Mr. Science. Tell me how you can "learn" or "be born" with knowledge without the use of the 5 senses?

    I bet you believe that some people are born with psychic or telekenetic powers too? I mean you might as well because the crap your pushing is on the same level of 'scientific' as that
     
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    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    So in other words you don't know what your talking about, what else is new?

    Then whenever another young teen or adult kills themselves, or has their life ruined after having wrongfully been subjected to synthetic hormone treatment and barbaric genital mutilation - you share some responsibility for it - by promoting "they just know" as a diagnostic criteria for a dangerous and irreversible procedure which destroys lives.
     
  11. Kranes56

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    You touched on it. Kids know by what society told them is acceptable for boys to act like and girls to act like. For example, a boy's color is blue, and pink's a girl. But a transgender will like the color pink because she realizes that it's the color to identify with if you're a girl.
     
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    I touched my penis - how did I "magically know" at age 2 or 3 that girls didn't have penises? It's scentifically impossible to "know" or "learn" something without using the 5 senses.

    Society never "tells" people how to act - there's no "education camp" that Tom Brady got sent to as a kid that "told him to like football", for example - they adapt to what best fits their genetics and brain profile (ex. men's brains lean more 'left brained' while women's lean more "right brained" generally).

    Not necessarily - by your standard then any man who wears pink is "transgender", and any woman who wears blue denim pants is "transgender" - that's one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard.

    Pink is more of an "emotive" color than blue - so it appeals to women's psychology better (because the right brain governs emotion), but saying that if a woman wear's blue jeans, or a man wears a pink polo shirt they must be "transgender' is beyond absurd - I hope you never have kids if you're really this ignorant

    So Prince is transgender? Damn I wonder if he knows that deep down every time he gets laid? lmao

    Why don't you send him some fanmail and tell him he's a woman and just doesn't know it?

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    Uh oh lookie lookie - this woman's (gasp) wearing a blue dress - blue is a "boy's color" - she must be transgender! Nooo!

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    Who said you knew that girls didn't have penises when you were that young? You don't need to know to know who is a girl or a boy by what they have in their pants.

     
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    This may be some of the dumbest (*)(*)(*)(*) you've ever written. Nice going.
     
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    But the argument for diagnosing transgenderism in young children is that "they're disgusted with their genitals".

    Overall there are far more strong similarities throughout history than their are differences. Genetics plays a much bigger role than "social trends" since it has 1,000,000s of years of evolution behind it.


    So a little girl who likes to wear pants might be transgender?


    It was "decided" as a masculine color, but biologically it's a feminine color because it appeals to the "female" (right) side of the brain (ex. bright or loud colors are more 'right brain' - darker or neutral colors are more 'left brain'). This is why a woman wearing a bright red or bright yellow dress in an office setting might be okay, but a man wearing a bright red or yellow suit would look weird

    Just like it was once "decided" that only men could get an education (ex. only men could be artists), but women's brain structure is actually more creative, so they should have on average better art potential than men in general.


    Then if pink was "still a man's color" - transgenders would wear blue? So if a man wore blue jeans, this'd mean his 'transgender'?

    Uh yeah, you make next to no sense.

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    That's Krane's standard of "diagnosis" - yeah :lol:
     
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    Who argues that?


    Big ideas are similar, cultures are different generation to generation. Genetics can only tell you what to like, but it's up to you to take that. Hence why social trends are important.

    I don't think I said that.


    Because as we all know, humans only have half of a brain. Now, we see the religious symbols in why Blue was female, so maybe social trends have a bigger impact then you're acknowledging.

    Quick question, what is your purpose with this fact? Why do you feel the need to bring it up?


    Male Transgenders would be drawn to the color blue in this case. Now the pants part I'm confused about. Does it still have the male connotation or is it now gender neutral?

    Irony. Really ironic.
     
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    You are aware I'm not arguing on an expanded idea, but the basic one because you're having trouble understanding this idea so we're going to focus on the easy ideas before we go on.
     
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    Can you quote for me how many times this has happened? Mind you, this has to be something they were subjected to with their consent.
     
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    I was too young to remember when I learned the differences between boys and girls. Most very young children see their parents or siblings nude at some point, perhaps during bath time, and notice the differences and ask about them. And good parents will answer. Some kids learn a bit later than others. But at that young of an age I think it is too early to say whether a kid is transgender or not. I think you need to wait until puberty to see how you react to all those hormones.
     
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    Back to this old topic again like a dog to its vomit. Have you finally noticed circumcison with this "mutilation" talk?
     
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    Is this topic a joke? I used to see my mum and many women young and old naked as a kid when we went swimming and I had to use the girls changing rooms with her...
     
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    When were you born? 1773?

    Nowadays even taking a photo of your child naked while bathing can have you slapped with child molester charges, there's no way a person in this day and age is going to bathe naked with their kid, or go swimming with their kid in a public place with other naked adults.

    I didn't have a sister who I bathed with, and no I never 'showered with my mum' naked when I was 3 years old - so in a case like that, how would a 3-4 year old (which some people here claim are old enough for the treatment) know that their "penis doesn't belong"?

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    How can a child "consent" - can they "consent" to sex with an adult?
     
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    1773?! What planet do you live on? Porn back then was probably a woman showing a bit of ankle. I doubt very much boys got to see their mothers/sisters naked 0_o

    I was born in 1988, so around the early 90's I remember taking baths with my mum and her taking me swimming as a toddler and using the women's changing rooms - a sea of tits and minge. Just because people are banned from taking photographs around swimming pools nowadays doesn't mean a mom can't take her young male child into the female changing rooms. What else is she going to do? Send him into the men's locker room unsupervised?!....

    Not sure what upbringing you had but I was well aware from a young age that men and women differed in those areas...
     
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    To answer your question, if they've never had any exposure to nudity of any kind other than their own, I'm not sure... But how do you know they haven't? Seems most people have and you're the exception.
     
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    Please read before you post. I never said anything about sex.
     

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