Why is the Right rising in Europe but dying in the US?

Marine Le Pen: EU will collapse like the Soviet Union

The leader of France’s far-Right party has vowed that the European Union would “collapse like the Soviet Union” as she conspired to form what would be the most radical faction yet seen in the European parliament...

Ms Le Pen, 45, will next month travel to Holland to chart a joint campaign with Geert Wilders, whose anti-Islamic Freedom Party (PVV) currently tops national opinion polls for May’s European elections. Together they aim to establish a pan-European, far-Right parliamentary grouping that would run on an anti-immigrant, anti-integration platform. Once in office its overriding aim would be to be as disruptive as possible.

I find it odd that the right in Europe is posting some big wins, but the right in the US is dying on the vine.

 

It's rising in Europe due to fallout from the 2008 financial crash and dying in the U.S. for the same reason.

 

Great question. I think it's got more to do with social attitudes. I realise Europe is composed of many countries and very different cultures but in a fair number of those countries there has always been great sympathy for rightist, authoritarian regimes. They are never too far away from either being in power or having some influence such as the balance of power. The US, despite the existence of organised nutters on the right, is far too democratic to ever seriously countenance fascism (which, let's remember was an Italian invention) or national socialism which was, of course, German.

 

Interesting that you claim the right is dying in the US because of the financial collapse which started in the housing market because our government believed everyone was entitled to own a home. Yes Bush Sr. relaxed the rules for getting a mortgage, but it would be the Clinton administration and Barney Franks who drastically relaxed the standards for qualifying, enabling mortgage companies to push "liar loans." Mortgage companies were happy to go along with it as they believed the rising cost of homes would benefit them when the homeowners faulted on their payments. Ooops, were they mistaken! The bubble burst and the banks were left holding toxic debt which we know the taxpayers ended up covering because these big banks were deemed to big to fail. This social experiment, started by a Republican president and continued through Bush Jr. nearly destroyed the world economy...well it still remains to be seen if the financial collapse was only prolonged by Bernanke and his QE experiment. And our government continues to think it knows best when it comes to financing the world.

 

It's really quite simple. Europe has been subjected to and were much closer (geographically) to multiple examples of communism/socialism/progressivism and it has seen the horrendous effects of those ideals. It has seen the consequences and pitfalls and do not want anything to do with it.

The USA on the otherhand has been relatively isolated from the effects of socialism or progressivism. We have lived for years sucking off the busom of capitalism and have become complacent and do not realize what a good thing we have. So we have morons in the USA who are advocating for progressive ideology, who will lie to the rest of the morons and end up sending this country into a socialist nightmare. Eventually we'll realize the complete cluster**** that is and we'll turn back to the only viable long-term economic system: Capitalism. Unfortunately it will be too late to stop us from having to experience much, much pain.

 

Where as fascist governments of Spain, Greece, Germany and Italy, showed the way to lands of milk and honey

 

The OP Go read Marine Le Penn's economic policy's and then with a straight face tell me she is a right winger. Same for the BNP and most other so-called European rightwingers. It's hysterical blather to believe they are anything other than a nativist variant of soclialsm. All of them are completely on board with all the current European socialist policies. They just want to limit them to people whose grandparents were born in the country in which that party operates.

 

Well I grant that the "right" in Europe is not the same as the "right" in North America.

Someone on the right in the US would be in favor of limited government. People on the right in Europe are big government statists. In fact, I'm not sure there is a large equivalent of what we would consider "conservative" in the US in Europe. There may be a few classical liberals running around over there but I'm not sure they have much political power.

 

Hahahaha!

It's really simple.

Here, watch this and you will understand why.

[video=youtube;6-3X5hIFXYU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU[/video]

American libs are influencing the US as a generality and they haven't yet had the problem smack them in the face yet (that's the point where Libs begin to pay attention to any problem...when it's too late).

When the Libs finally wake up and see that islamic populations are a real problem for US it will be too late to reverse the trend.

We will be lost.

The Europeans are trying to save themselves but I don't know if they will be able to do it.

 

Actually, it wasn't just the government but also citizens who voted for government officials who wanted homes, and not just homes but all sorts of goods and services. Banks wanted that, too, because they had to keep lending more money each time, which is why they now resorted to NINJAs.

In short, everyone was in on the action. Governments received tax revenues and the vote from citizens. Citizens get their leveraged middle class lifestyle and "We're No. 1" mentality, not to mention flipping homes. Banks and businesses got their profits and consumer spending economy.

 

I think it's because the "right" in America caters to the religious fundamentalists and evangelicals, who are still denying evolution, or promoting the idea of the 'end times' being eminent, which is reminiscent of a doomsday cult. The right in Europe doesn't focus on Biblical liberalism and focuses on real issues, such as the economy, healthcare, etc

I'm not even an atheist, and I could care less what someone believes in their own private life - but I can understand why people would be 'scared off' from voting Republican if they're portrayed as the party which thinks that "evolution is an atheist conspiracy to explain away God", or that "gay sex causes earthquakes and hurricanes" - that sounds more like something an Iranian "right wing" party would believe. Sure the Democratic party has its own kooks - like the people who's main priority is "banning happy meals", but people with kooky ideas which involve the "supernatural" tend to be perceived as scarier.

I'm aware that religious extremists make up a minority of kooks and don't represent the "Republican party" as a whole, nevertheless the Democratic party is saving all soundbytes they can find from the minority of vocal fundamentalist kooks, and milking this for all it's worth - and it's working, especially with the younger voter Demographic.

This is why I think that the fundamentalists and rabid homophobes (ex. the ones who think that Ned and Fred banging each other in the butt caused Hurricane Katrina) should be expelled from the Republican party, and go join the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_Party or something. If we just got rid of a few fringe religious types - then the Republican Party would be seen as the "moderate party", while the Democrat party would be seen as the "insane party" - since they're the party which caters to the types who want to ban Happy Meals, or want to enforce "politically correct speech codes", and some of whose supporters have even suggested the death penalty for anyone who "opposes global warming" - this would be a great move on the part of the Republican party and could save it from irrelevance.

 

BINGO. We have a winner.

 

Those are fair points, but the most hated segment of the right is the Tea Party, which has no positions on gays or evolution, it's all about fiscal issues. That is where the left feels most threatened by right on, not the social issues. If we ran a balanced budget, the leftist project would be essentially over because the taxes required to support it would be beyond what the public would support.

 

You may have a point. The "average" European is now seeing the end results of a generation of immigration from Muslim countries and feel threatened by the changing character of their nations. We don't really have an equivalent to that degree here.

 

Right, however the Tea Party is for whatever reason straw-maned by the left as a "rabid white wing extremist party" filled with religious fanatics. What they'll do is probably go over all the photos of TP rallies they can find and find 1 guy with some stupid sign about gays or evolution, and claim he "represents the Tea Party"

 

It would seem the only thing right in Europe is their fight against open borders and the big influx of Muslims. They are finally seening the trouble Islam is causing in Western countries. Instead on Muslims trying to adapt to Western culture, they are trying to push Islamic culture on the West and it's been nothing but a disaster. Many Western states now want to close their border to Muslims.

 

We are heading into Europe's political past, but we refusing to learn from their mistakes.

We either have people in control of this country who are ignorant, selfish fools, or they are full of hubris and think they can make their vision of a liberal Utopia a reality, or they know exactly what they are doing, and destruction of the nation and its purposeful.

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Some of them might be a day late and a dollar short.

 

We eventually will, what with the kind of "Americans" we've bred and raised here and exist today!

 

To bad Americans can't see the problem with immigration. I guess we'll have to be like Europe and wait till it's to late to manage it before we wise up.

 

The reason is exactly because the Tea Party represents a fiscal threat to the left. They use the "racist-tea-party" meme to discredit the Tea Party because they are worried about the fiscal threat they represent. That's why on this forum that is almost exclusively the angle of attack on the Tea Party. They never mention the real goals of the tea party.

 

just because the right is not in your face, calling you names, and issuing death threats to Congressmen doesn't mean it's dying. They have jobs to go to, children to raise, responsibilities to satisfy rather than just sucking the life out of the nation.

They'll deal making themselves obvious when necessary.

 

The phenomenon of increased borrowing and spending probably began even earlier, with voodoo economics from 1980 onward.

 

Yeah, I can see how somewhere like Michigan, which has the largest population of Muslims in America at 1.2% of the state, is a real problem. The next largest population doesn't even make it into single figures at 0.9%. What I do find interesting is the statistic that American Muslims are considerably better educated than the average. Oh, and could we have a source for your cartoon video please? Thanks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_States#Integration

 

Well, in most of those countries Obama would be considered Center-Right. Piers Morgan was actually a member of the UK's conservative party when he lived there.. but in the US both these men are considered to be members of the Left

 

I liked your post because you have the word 'fallout' in your post and you also have an avatar from the Enclave armor from Fallout 2.

Well played, ralfy.