Affirmative Action Quotas Not Working Out At FDNY

No. But when I see a minority in a position and incompetence is abound what else is it but AA? You can be sure that's what goes through people's heads.

 

Right, but a white person can be incompetent and an individual who's failures don't reflect on his or her so-called "race", nepotism or the good old boy network??? That is white privilege!!! GDAY!!!

 

Exactly he's just seen as incompetent because he wasn't given a job just because of race or a quota. AA undermines the accomplishments of minorities and highlights the faults. That's why it's a terrible thing that needs to go away. Why would a minority want a position they didn't earn?

 

WRONG, if he/she was given a job because of nepotism or the "good old boy" network then historically that is a placement based on race!!! You fail!!! You win NOTHING, GDAY to you sir!!!

 

This is what happens when the government gets involved with hiring procedures. As someone who has taken fire department entrance exams; you want people who are not only physically ability to do the job but who also has some type of intelligence.

 

When you go in to a structure fire, you want someone next to you who can do the job. That person should be able to do their job regardless of their race.

 

AGREED, but please show proof that unqualified minorities are being given extra points on exams to allow them entrance into the workforce when an exam is mandatory!!! Do any of you people see since the dropouts where NOT employed that fact destroys your argument??? If these people didn't meet the criteria
and were employed then you'd have something to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about.THEY DIDN'T EMPLOY THEM get over it!!! Because that's NOT how affirmative action works!!! GDAY!!!

 

Other then basic job requirements for a government job, such as American citizen and living in NYC, I don't know what the quals are to get hired on with the FDNY. But, I do know that when you go through the FDNY academy you are drawing a pack check. That right there means you have been hired on with the city.

 

^^^This statement of yours neither supports your stance nor dismantles mine.^^^ Why did you make it??? Hmm, curious and curiouser.... Yes, everyone knows that if someone works for a fire dept they're most likely a county or state employee if they're not a volunteer. What is your point sir??? That the state or city has to employee minorities because of AA??? If so that doesn't prove that said minorities are NOT qualified. EX.) People in this forum are stating that if the passing score on the written test is 80 they're letting minorities in who receive a 70 because their minority status automatically gives them 10 extra points. That is total b*llsh*t and none of them have provided proof to support this claim. To that I say, GDAY!!!

 

I never said that govermnt has to hire minorities did I? No I didn't.

 

I'm trying to find some minute reasoning behind that response sir. As it has no relevancy to the point of contention in this forum. Again what was your point in post# 33. Are you saying that people who tryout/appply for these positions are drawing paychecks and therefore employed by the city or state??? If so that's a falsehood. Please explain that post......

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Maybe I shouldn't have conjectured and just responded thusly: "^^^This statement of yours neither supports your stance nor dismantles mine.^^^ Why did you make it???"

 

Penance, as retribution for our racial sins.

 

Seems fair to me. If they had just been hired when they first applied - instead of being discriminated against - they might not be having so many problems.

 

No thanks, I'll hire who I want with my money.

Thanks anyway.

 

They have been hired by the city on a probationary term pending their graduation from the fire academy and a year on the job. So yes they are drawing a paycheck right now. Most of these guys are in their 30's and 40's now. They are not physically ability to do the job anymore. Which begs the question why did New York and the FDNY waste money hiring them and bring them on when their able to do it? To get hired you have to go through what is known as the CPAT which is 10 stations that test your ability to do fire related tasks such as pulling hose, rescuing people, carrying stuff, etc, etc, etc and you have to pass it in 10:20. I think that city used the result from 10 years when these who were younger and ability to do the job. I stated it before, if you go in a structure fire, you want someone who can do their job and help you if it hits the fan. As long as that person can do their job, don't care if their are white, black, Mexican or asian.

 

Collective penance for our ancestor's sins.

How progressive.

 

You can't really blame it. This corrective measure is like a pendulum. It attempts to correct one broad imbalance by providing a countermeasure. You sneer about progressevism, but don't incorporate into your criticism the reason why the court has to mandate such things or why these measures, which you see as unfair, have to exist in the first place.

If you take a look into the history of this country, you kind of have to admit that the only reason we are a progressive society is because the courts had to force it to be. Or the courts were forced by those people who were disenfranchised...

 

Let me see?? We are short of doctors and nurses so I'm guessing that the state boards give licenses to the top X% which leaves out smarter people who didn't get a spot in med school because of their paleness. And in some states they are rejecting Asians too.

Take a look at our federal government employees and tell us why minorities are way over represented?

 

Your reasoning is really f*cking flawed. There are not enough Blacks to prevent Whites from jobs even if AA was applied as you claim. The answer to your second question is Blacks like the government and many Whites don't. Come again.

 

Here is a conundrum perhaps someone here can help me with. Racialists use statistics to "prove" most Blacks are legally retarded yet get mad because we're on welfare. Isn't retardation a qualification for being on the system??? Shouldn't Black criminals be treated instead of incarcerated because of this "fact"??? They want drug testing for welfare recipients and those receiving unemployment yet for gun owners no such testing or even a mental health exam. But EVERY time a White dude "goes postal" and goes on a rampage he is said to be mentally unhealthy. If Blacks are overwhelmingly on welfare how can so many "qualified" Whites lose their jobs to us by way of Affirmative Action??? Please make up your minds are we working or not??? You cannot have it both ways *********s!!!!

 

Here is a conundrum perhaps someone here can help me with. Racialists use statistics to "prove" most Blacks are legally retarded yet get mad because we're on welfare. Isn't retardation a qualification for being on the system??? Shouldn't Black criminals be treated instead of incarcerated because of this "fact"??? They want drug testing for welfare recipients and those receiving unemployment yet for gun owners no such testing or even a mental health exam. But EVERY time a White dude "goes postal" and goes on a rampage he is said to be mentally unhealthy. If Blacks are overwhelmingly on welfare how can so many "qualified" Whites lose their jobs to us by way of Affirmative Action??? Please make up your minds are we working or not??? You cannot have it both ways *********s!!!! [Worth the repeat]

 

NO TAKERS 3RD TIMES THE CHARM: Here is a conundrum perhaps someone here can help me with. Racialists use statistics to "prove" most Blacks are legally retarded yet get mad because we're on welfare. Isn't retardation a qualification for being on the system??? Shouldn't Black criminals be treated instead of incarcerated because of this "fact"??? They want drug testing for welfare recipients and those receiving unemployment yet for gun owners no such testing or even a mental health exam. But EVERY time a White dude "goes postal" and goes on a rampage he is said to be mentally unhealthy. If Blacks are overwhelmingly on welfare how can so many "qualified" Whites lose their jobs to us by way of Affirmative Action??? Please make up your minds are we working or not??? You cannot have it both ways *********s!!!!