Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance

Another lie, no one is being forced to pay any fine.

 

So now the word is, O'care isn't putting you out of your insurance. It's the insurance companies that are pushing you out of the plan you want to keep - BECAUSE...

wait for it....

They're complying with ObamaCare

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/10/2...ith-obamacare/

 

Right. It's all their fault that Obama Care has nullified their insurance and now they will get what they don't need at doubt the cost...if they are lucky

 

[video=youtube;aNUr__-VZeQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNUr__-VZeQ[/video]

 

Agreed. But what has been lost is a premium that presumably could be afforded and planned for (or who would have it?)
and it's been replaced by a premium at a greatly inflated price with coverage that may not be needed or wanted!

Bottom line? Obama told a big fat lie! And this whole sorry g.d. law has been sold like a bottle of snake oil with enough lies and false promises to
last a NY law firm for years.

 

Wow, 50%-75%, maybe even 80%, of healthcare plans cancelled... Talk about a lack of quality.

Wow, no wonder the US healthcare system was in crisis. All the health policies were crap and they were probably just there to be money sponges, until you actually needed them, then the insurance companies pull the plug on you. You've heard the stories before, surly, if you've been around for a decade?

Well, in New York our prices are actually going down. We take so much care of our own. It's a shame not more states were like this with their insurance. Now, maybe the next topic should be other forms of insurance, car insurance, perhaps. I'd like that.

 

This is incapable of being done by government.

 

Typical of a lefty. Lefties are miserable creatures who hate everything around them and their only goal is to make everyone else miserable like they are.

 

soon we'll all be poor and miserable. Thanks Obama and all progressives.

 

Read them and weep people. I'm too poor to use the Health Exchange, and I'll probably be redirected to Medicaid when I sign up, but these are my offerings, in expensive New York yet, if I were to bypass Medicaid and pay for it anyway.. It looks like Obama paid for my medical bills. Or as I like to think of it: the club Obama tax credit.

My Silver rates:


My Platinum rates:

 

Golly. Why haven't you enrolled yet?

 

The New York state enrollment website, which is a different website from the healthcare.gov site, is still down...

 

By all means post the Deductible and Yearly out of pocket.

 

Hmmm... I never thought much about the redistribution of misery. Interesting concept!

 

The author (Myers) is a right-wing hack with a history of distortions.

http://mediamatters.org/tags/lisa-myers

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ing_reopens_case_against_hillary_clinton.html

The corporate media has always shilled for Republicans.

 

Cohn has a more reasonable summary of the law. Guess which critical parts the Myers "investigative report" leaves out?

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115372/how-obamacare-changing-insurance-premiums-and-coverage

 

Sure thing, these are basically the cookie-cutter ones for the New York Health Exchange, at least in my region (Long Island), the coverage is the same for all providers. There are other slightly better, cheaper plans too, offered by individual insurance companies, but they are off the exchange. Above the basic coverage required by ACA law, each insurance company has their own self-made, non-standard packages, and they don't qualify for the tax credit. So, I don't list them.

Bronze:
Deductible: individual $3000/ Family $6000
Out of pocket: individual $6350 / Family $12700
Primary Care Visit: 50% after deductible.
Specialist Visit: 50% after deductible.
Prescriptions:
Tier 1: $10 after deductible.
Tier 2: $35 after deductible.
Tier 3: $70 after deductible.
Tier 4: $70 after deductible.
Urgent Care Visit: 50% after deductible.
Emergency Room: 50% after deductible.
Hospitalization Coinsurance: 50% after deductible.

Silver:
Deductible: individual $2000/ Family $4000
Out of pocket: individual $5500 / Family $11000
Primary Care Visit: $30 after deductible.
Specialist Visit: $50 after deductible.
Prescriptions:
Tier 1: $10 after deductible.
Tier 2: $35 after deductible.
Tier 3: $70 after deductible.
Tier 4: $70 after deductible.
Urgent Care Visit: $70 after deductible.
Emergency Room: $150 after deductible.
Hospitalization Coinsurance: $1500 Copay per Stay after deductible.

Gold:
Deductible: individual $600/ Family $1200
Out of pocket: individual $4000 / Family $8000
Primary Care Visit: $25 after deductible.
Specialist Visit: $40 after deductible.
Prescriptions:
Tier 1: $10 after deductible.
Tier 2: $35 after deductible.
Tier 3: $70 after deductible.
Tier 4: $70 after deductible.
Urgent Care Visit: $60 after deductible.
Emergency Room: $150 after deductible.
Hospitalization Coinsurance: $1000 Copay per Stay after deductible.

Platinum:
Deductible: individual $0/ Family $0
Out of pocket: individual $2000 / Family $4000
Primary Care Visit: $15 after deductible.
Specialist Visit: $35 after deductible.
Prescriptions:
Tier 1: $10 after deductible.
Tier 2: $35 after deductible.
Tier 3: $70 after deductible.
Tier 4: $70 after deductible.
Urgent Care Visit: $55 after deductible.
Emergency Room: $100 after deductible.
Hospitalization Coinsurance: $500 Copay per Stay after deductible.

 

Some perspective...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog...alking+Points+Memo:+by+Joshua+Micah+Marshall)

 

This doesn't really change the talking points, to boil it all down. He's happy that he found A: A health care plan that worked out for him and that B: Although the costs go up, he can afford it.

I'm happy for him too. But for millions of other Americans, they may not be so lucky. I'm happy his experience is a positive one, I'm happy some of the relative add-ons to a plan are beneficial for him. But for many others, it's a waste. This was supposed to be a *universal* system.

As such, there should be no winners or losers, or even a debate.

The fact that a debate exists, is the proof that the ACA hasn't lived up to it's billing. As the former Obama supporter said, call it the available care act. Available to those who can afford it. To those who can't, they may be penny pinching.

 

I see no change whatsoever. Presidents have been a lot of lying and incompetent scumbags for a very long time already, just as liars and scumbags have been in power over the rest of humanity since time immemorial.

 

LOL

I'm not saying that it's their fault. I'm saying that they're either lying or just lazy. They were warned that their policies were temporary. Obamacare didn't "cancel" their policies, their insurance providers did.

 

And the reason for canceling it, was due to the ACA. No one's lazy or lying, they're stating the freaking obvious.

On the contrary, your the one making intellectual backflips by saying "they should've known the policies were temporary, hence it's not the ACA's fault".

But they were temporary due to the ACA in the first place.

This is the inherent flaw within the ACA 1) What may work for some, may not work for others. 2)A single, one-fit-all plan doesn't compute with the natural design of Humans. We're all inherently different, from our genetics to our financial situations, etc.

Hence, a better solution is a private market with exchanges. I'd much prefer the McCain plan in '08, let people buy their own health care at competitive pricing of their own choosing.

When it comes to economics, Liberals are far behind their political opponents whether they be Neo-cons or Tea Partiers.

Let's put it all in TLDR format: For some it'll be better, and for some it'll be worse. Unfortunately, for those whom the ACA depends on coverage(the young and healthy), it'll be worse. Hence the system will fall on its own weight.

This is because the system by its very nature is undemocratic, unconstitutional(regardless of what the flimsy, meaningless court says. There's nothing "supreme" about it, they're lame ducks who are unaccountable) and uneconomically sound.

Many say that European UC is able to work because of high taxation. So are we really going to move to this high tax-spend model? Okay, sure, that might allow us to do various things but I don't think we'll be able to curb inflation. Thereby the trade deficit will grow larger, etc.

Europe might have UC, but it doesn't have much else going for it. Even if UC isn't financially feasible, I want a progressive HC plan that'll allow people to be able to have affordable health care based on their situation. The more open-ended our system is, the better.

That's what I've come to realize after prior being supportive of a universal measure. Universalism in health care isn't possible, at least not in its purest sense.

 

I'm not the one who is being dishonest. Those people claiming that Obamacare cancelled their policies are being dishonest. Like I said, they were given warnings by their provider. They either didn't read the warnings or they are just lying to make Obamacare look bad.

You just believe what you have to believe. Meanwhile, in reality, many liberal states (you know, the rich states) like Massachusetts already had a form of socialized medicine. There is a relationship between health and prosperity.

Young, healthy people get cheap private insurance. Those days are over. What is the problem? People are no longer denied because of pre-existing conditions. They're no longer paying a fortune if they're old. I'm happy that the USA is keeping up with most of the other well-off countries and treating healthcare as an essential service that shouldn't be denied to anyone.

It's democratic. The main subject of Obama's 2008 campaign was his "Obamacare" plan. The people wanted it. There has been lots of scare mongering since then, including many angry, loud people trying to scare people away from signing up online. The website works but it's glitchy and everyone should check out the market available to them ASAP to see if they're eligible and what packages they can get.

It's a good goal. Many countries see healthcare as a right, not a privilege.

 

California's are just as bad. $12,700 where is a family supposed to come up with that + their monthly premiums?

 

I think that qualifies as a CaptainAngryPants lie.