Interesting. How do you read into this? People were corralled into focussing on leaders, not policies I believe. Is the rhetoric game up?....I think so. I don't think there is any turning back, the coalition stood too far out on a seemingly flimsy limb. Unless something miraculous happens, they will more than likely be a one term government. Not one of there policies seems to be working, but in fact causing more issues and nervousness.
I thought it was the second poll. Anyway, what i presume it to show is that many people who voted for the Libs did so because of the perceived shambolic state of Labor. It's WAY too early to read much into it though, especially when Abbott won't talk to us.
Gee, no wonder Abbott has stopped promising to have a Double Dissolution if his bills aren't passed. Sure has the courage of his convictions
You are no doubt right about it being the second poll. You are no doubt right about how people perceived the state of labor in terms of the leadership turmoil and I suppose can't blame the Australian voter for how they voted to a degree. Australian voters are unpredictable, but you would think many will wise up to some of the realities regarding the poor policy platform presented by the coalition. I think policy implementation is secret on the basis of it being weak policy due mostly regarding negativity towards good policy for the sake of electoral victory. They, along with Murdoch went too far and are left exposed on many issues. The NBN, climate change, boat people along with economic management directions are the standouts. If labor can present and promote their success in government clearly in comparison without the diversions caused as a consequence of their leadership woes, you would think they would be a good chance. If abbott bites the bullet on important policy and can maintain the trust of the Australian people with the necessary flip flopping he will obviously be safe. As far as I'm concerned they are caught between a rock and a hard place on policy, therefore will find it hard to wriggle out. Murdoch will obviously do the dirty work, if people stupidly continue to believe his rubbish. - - - Updated - - - Absolutely! Rubbish alternative policy is becoming evident quickly!
This would as you say stop a double Dissolution threat. Apart from that it does not really matter. The Liberals have three years to do whatever it wants. Edit. Also it means that any by-elections (such as Rudd's old seat) could be won by Labour.
Yeah thats my read as well. History shows Australians frown on disorganized political leadership above almost anything else
So how does this work exactly? Are there two prime ministers or does the opposition have a greater say in allowing or disallowing laws?
how do you figure... maybe the presidents nominations will happen faster now, but republicans can still obstruct everything else like they have been doing
Nothing has changed in parliament. The voting has already been done. What it means is that Abbott most likely won't ask for a Double Dissolution of parliament (every seat in both houses goes back to a vote) like he swore he would if he didn't get his own way all the time because it's likely his party wouldn't win the election.
This makes no sense to me. In Australia we do not have a president, nor do we have a party called republicans. The two main parties are the Liberals and the Labour party. Do not see Australia having a referendum on becoming a republic any time soon.
Forgetting the fact that I believe the government and the opposition have no evidence to believe such figures. Don't you think that the reason for this poll is the fact that it appears Abbott is breaking the promise of taking things to a dd???
We are up to our necks in sh!t with our neighbours. A DD will be the furthest thing from our minds soon! Either we are going to suffer massively economically due to these bunch of clowns running the show or are neighbours are going to start to treat us as a physical threat, from which we will get our asses whipped. I doubt the US will back up stupidity. Sounds extreme....probably, but I thought it was extreme to suggest we could upset our neighbours like we have. Anything is possible with a bunch of nasty redneck, bigoted, incompetent nincompoops running the show. Either abbott, bishop and Morison pull there heads in or we start to make these fools listen!
Yes and maybe next time (if there is) the ALP gets in maybe they won’t spy on people that cause these incidents. Maybe they will not pander to the US and assist them to spy on the Asian community. I would suggest that this is not simply a problem of one party but the entire political machine of Australia. BUT you go ahead and blame Abbott for the political problem with Indonesia, You pretend that the ALP are such saints and do not bow and grovel at the boots of the US. Unfortunately the issue you wish to blame the Abbott government for was caused by the most incompetent government Australia has ever seen. Maybe Abbott will save your face maybe he won't but as typical ALP supporters they wish to forget the contribution their party made to this mess, the entire scandal to begin with. Ahh... I bet the ALP are saying bugger that Snowden, funny how people wish to hold him high (and IMHO he deserves it) but forget exactly what he showed.
I just came across this forum and this is the first thread I've read on it. I hope it's not a sign of things to come! First - the Neilson poll - given the size of the swing and given the most rudimentary understanding of statistics, it was obviously a rogue poll - a spike. Since it's release, ALL the other polls have confirmed this but for a slight movement towards the labor party - no surprise given the fiasco with Indonesia. Indonesia - The report which was leaked, referred to an incident in 2009 - when Rudd was the PM. Abbott could have dropped him in it, taken the easy road - a road that would have absolutely ridiculed the inept labor party and its megalomaniac leader Rudd, but instead he took the diplomatic road - where he did not commit Australia to never again spy on Indo, or anyone else for that matter, did not publicly apologize and did not put the ALP in the spotlight.. and as we read today - his chosen response seems to have worked (so far) - even under the noise of the left wing media trying their hardest to destroy the relationship.. Boat people policy - what part of that isn't working? We've gone form 3 boats a day to 4 this month. I've read some posts stating that all of the LNP policies are falling apart - name one?! In fact, so far they have just been delivering on what they said they'd do if they won.. sorry of you were one of the 3 that didn't vote for that. Seems that on my brief visit to this site, it appears to be full of left wing nut bags crying over their loss.
Abbotts manner in handling it leaves a lot to be desired! These guys somehow think we are bigger and more powerful than we really are. As for the polls you could read in to it numerous ways, but you would have to say that people are disappointed with all the hoo har regarding climate change, debt and boat people! Maybe you didn't realise numerous boats arrived this week alone "those that we know about anyway"! They knew the difficulty surrounding this issue but chose to play politics with people's lives and money! I think it is fair to say that people didn't vote for the coalition and their policies but voted against labor! We are heading for rough times due to the stupidity of American style politics at the demise of our own good! If people support the negative policy type politicking that cutts off the nose to spite the face we are heading for the gurgler! No ifs or buts about it!
Heh. Read a bit more in other threads. Quantity has been dominated by a mix of homophobic, xenophobic, climate skeptics with confused economic ideals (sort of a nationalist quasi free-market concept). The stuff you've mentioned above, whilst nicely written for a change on this forum, will give me something to debate if you hang around. Most of the chaff i disagree with here don't read enough to put up a fight.
The latest news poll reads similar to the Nielsen poll. It's pretty interesting analysis considering the new government has only been in for short time. I notice the Murdoch papers, such as the daily telegraph are still attempting to make something of old labor issue such as the Craig Thompson affair but have dodged anything that scrutinises the current government. Still hoping that people wake up to this fool and his dodgy self interested reporting!
