Why Obama was right to say "if you like your insurance, you can keep it"

Guess what. Obama set employer mandate till 2015 just wait you won't be so happy in 2015...

 

Except that no one has been able to prove me wrong. Funny, huh? I thought so!

 

Well my plan had everything I needed. I am over 60 I now have to have. maternity and kid care will never need it don't want it but I must now pay for it. Obamacare SUCKS.

 

There are only 2 types of people who would write or believe the above: a total fool completely brainwashed to the "progressive" dogma; or a total tool of the "progressives".

Lies on top of lies. "progressives" despise the people and think "the working man" is an idiot incapable of making decisions, and an enlightened elite class is required to "govern" us. If that elite class of rulers needs to lie to us to keep us in line and get us to do their bidding, then the elites will lie. And they expect us to believe their transparent lies because in their eyes we are just sheeple to be herded.

 

I wonder why you avoided my correction to your post? I wonder why you avoided the fact that state insurance commissioners allowed insurers to decide on whether they wanted to cancel or amend? If you were honest, you would see that since the insurers don't like the ACA..............its not hard to figure out why they cancelled instead of amending. One of them makes the ACA look bad, while the other has no negative effects on the ACA.

 

Well, since you CANT prove me wrong, you are left without any reason to believe Im wrong.

Only a low information voter would think someone is wrong despite not being able to show them where they are wrong....................or someone who's more into trolling than adding anything constructive.

 

I own property, have no kids(and never will), but yet I have to pay property taxes which goes to helping fund schools. In other words, I help little Johnny down the street get an education. Some of view helping others(whether it be maternity or education) as being compassionate................others for some reason view it as taboo and talk down about those that do.

I don't know why, but that's just what they do! I have no idea why they don't have any compassion for their fellow american in a time of need.

 

I also pay property tax I think that should be enough. I should not have to pay for something I will never need. BTW property tax also covers police emergency care fire department and schools, Kids need education I don't need maternity and kid care...

 

Sigh! Some of them allowed their state agencies to make up their own minds after ObamaCare engaged and screwed Obama's pooch, making things both difficult and expensive for everybody. Some of them said, "No! The original law is the one on the books and that's what you are going to follow." There are articles about this you know. "Oh and some of them said, "It's already too late to backtrack at this point since cancellation notices already went out."

 

LOL! This was "before" cancellations went out. Insurers could have amended those policies or cancelled them. The state insurance commissioner, for the most part, allowed insurers to decide.

Those insurers, who could have amended, chose to cancel..............not Obamacare. Try again.

Now, I know why you avoided it. Because what I said proves you wrong and what a better way to continue to live in a bubble. Its an excellent way!

 

No, this was NOT before those cancellations went out. What in the hell do you think Obama went on national television and apologized for? It really was in the news. How did you miss it?

 

But I don't have kids(and never will)! Im paying for something that I will never use!

My point was about helping people(education or maternity) whether YOU actually need/use it or not. If you needed help you would want it. Why is it so hard to live by this moral?

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You need to try again. Those cancellation notices didn't have to go out. The state insurance commissioner, for the most part, allowed the insurers to decide. They(the insurers) decided to cancel instead of amend. Not Obamacare! LOL

You are dead wrong..........AGAIN! LMAO!

 

So tell me this or just run from it. You decide on whether you want to learn or not.

Since those insurance companies were given the ability/authority, from the state insurance commissioner, to decide on whether to cancel or amend, why in the world would it be Obama's fault for those cancellations??????? Why is it Obama's fault for cancellations, when the insurance companies could have decided to amend?????

HINT: Its not and you are just not able to admit it..................based on the evidence you have already provided to this thread!

I bet that despite explaining this to you several times, it still goes right over your head. All I need now is the evidence(from your next post) to prove me wrong or correct. Let's see what you decide to do! LMAO!

 

I make it a policy to put certain types of posters on my 'ignore' list after they consistently exhibit certain disturbing 'quirks'. Don't bother trying to post to me again.

 

Maybe not for education. But some day you will have to call the police, or the EMT. the fire department. Schools is just a small part of property tax. I am sure you don't pay 518.00 a month in property tax. My old policy 246.00 new policy 518.00 if your property tax went up that much you would sell your property..

 

What a load of bull(*)(*)(*)(*). YOu can't even keep your health insurance company much less your policy. People in states like CA and FL are getting cancelations by the 100s of thousands precisely because companies are pulling out of those states.

Take you agiprop lies and bull(*)(*)(*)(*) and spew them somewhere else. You are not wanted on this forum. Paid staffers like you should seriously get a life.

 

Typical behavior once someone realizes they are left without any reason whatsoever to justify their lack of understanding..................run away!

This way, they don't have to admit that the insurers COULD have amended instead of cancelling. And since they could have amended, but chose to cancel, you cannot blame these cancellations on the person who did everything in his power to ensure that their current plans would be grandfathered in. The insurers chose to cancel, not Obama!

If someone chooses to run away from this, then I'm sorry to say that the chance of them learning it diminishes substantially!!

 

And that's the insurers choice! LOL

How was Obama to know which companies or how many of them wouldn't accept the new customers they have been provided..........in the state they were already conducting business? HINT: There is no way he could have known which decision a company was going to make years before they make it.

So tell me where I lied, since you are going to accuse me of such. I think its kind of lame that you would accuse me of lying and then not point out where I was lying.
Second, to assume Im lying instead of just being wrong is a negative judgement founded on no evidence of "intent to deceive". Its more than lame. Its sad!

In other words, not only did you fail to show me the statement I made that is wrong and then you failed to differentiate between being wrong and lying since you have no evidence of me intending to deceive. If you bothered to read thru this thread, it would be impossible to think that I really don't believe the things Im telling you..............but that Im really making them up.

Again, this is very sad!

 

Dude it was a lie even WAPO, hardly a conservative Paper ,gave it four pinochios. And substandard basically seems to mean three or four things in combination or separately varying by the person. These are: 1st Your plan doesn't cover Obgyn care. Guess what my wife and I are over sixty and both of us are sterile guess who needs obgyn care like Santa Claus needs Obama to run his toy factory. 2nd you don't have to drive 100 miles to find a pediatrition, third your doctor makes more than the government is willing to pay him, and forth they think your drugs are too pricey.

 

And you realize you don't have to buy that new policy right? You can now buy a different policy, a policy elsewhere or you could buy on the exchanges(if you live in a democrat state and if you don't, then that's not Obama's fault for allowing states to set up exchanges to catch those that lose policies..........and governors just don't want to set them up for some strange reason).

PPO or HMO? HMO means you have to see who they tell you and the doc cannot hold you responsible for anything that the insurance doesn't pay. PPO means you can see the physician of your choice, but he can hold you responsible for unpaid balances after insurance reimbursement. They have also came out with a few new ones like: POS(which I don't have much experience with)

Second, you may qualify for a subsidy depending on your salary and/or out of pocket expenses.(not trying to get you to tell me how much money you make or health conditions you may have)

Third, what's a comparison of the coverage look like? Deductible? Co-pay? Limits.......monetary/visit/procedure?

Fourth, does your company pay a portion of your insurance or are you self employed/self insured? In other words, did they reduce the amount they were contributing?

I'm not attacking you with my questions. I'm just suggesting that many factors need to be taken into consideration to get a full picture. Maybe you have thought of all these things, I have no idea. Its the reason I asked the questions and pointed out those factors. You can certainly clue me on the details, if you feel comfortable.

 

[video=youtube;kdPR46W57Oo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdPR46W57Oo[/video]

"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan." He didn't say "If you like your insurance". The word, specifically, was "plan." For many millions, those plans are now gone, replaced with government-approved plans.
My plan was cancelled. Now I get a plan that costs 30% more, and pays 20% less. I liked my plan and I can not keep my plan.

 

And how many times do I have to repeat myself???? Its amazing!

The PLANS/POLICIES(get it that time? we will see, huh?) could have been amended, but the insurers were given the authority/ability to either amend or cancel policies. Of course they are going to take the option to make the ACA look bad.

Since the insurance companies could decide to cancel or amend..................its their fault people got cancellation notices. They could have amended or grandfathered in those crappy PLANS!!!!

 

The Unaffordable Health Care Act is clown show legislation shoved down our throats. We have to read it to see whats in it - right?

 

Of course, the media is biased!!!

Sadly, no one in their organization(WAPO) was able to figure out that Obama didn't lie. He was only wrong about something that he had no way of knowing beforehand............which you certainly can't fault him for. And he even allowed those crappy plans to be grandfathered in.

Why do you guys not understand the difference between lying and being wrong? And like I said, Obama was only wrong about something in which he couldn't have known.

In order for Obama to have lied............you need to explain to me how he was to KNOW that insurance companies wouldn't amend or grandfather in plans before the law was passed.

 

Well, as we see in the video, Obama repeats himself dozens of times, and yet no matter how many times he repeats the line, it doesn't make it true.

If it were amended, it wouldn't be the plan I like. It would be the government plan.

Nothing about my plan was crappy. What I can afford under Obamacare pays less and costs more. How is that helping me?