Return To The Good Old Days?

We’ve all read the posts by the conservatives and neoconservatives longing for the good old days. The era when our parents (or grandparents) raised their children with old fashioned family values. Mom stayed home, cleaned the house, washed dishes, cooked meals, did the laundry, and had a Martini ready for Dad when he got home from a hard day’s work (and sometimes smacked Mom around because he’d had a bad day).

Additionally, the good old days were the time when the Negroes were happy and knew their place. If anyone spoke of Hispanics most people asked what’s a “hispanic”?

Yeah, those are just a few memories of the good old days of the 1950s and the early 1960s.

But the right-wingers forget those were the bad old days for the very rich, when their tax brackets were very high. Back then, to lower their tax burden, the fat cats were forced to reinvest their hard earned money into growing their companies, creating jobs that paid livable wages, both in their own companies and the companies that supplied equipment, raw materials, transported goods, etc.

But, back to the great parts of the good old days. Factories freely pumped millions of tons of pollutants into our air, rivers, lakes, and oceans. Autos and trucks added to the smog problem causing respiratory ailments in people of all ages. Ah, yes, good times, good times.

Yes, it’s understandable why the conservatives and neoconservatives want to return to the good old days. But do the fat cats want to join them? Not really.

Why go back to a time when the very rich and Big Business needed to spend their money to create growth, increase the GDP, expand the middle class tax base, manufacture the best products money could buy, and make the U.S. a world economic power?

The good days are now, and they are only going to get better. With ever lower taxes on the very rich, they no longer need to reinvest to reduce their tax burden. They need not spend money creating jobs and enlarging their factories (at least not here in the U.S.).

In the good old days of today, lobbyists deliver payments to elected officials to defund the EPA so pollution laws, though still on the books, are rarely enforced. Coupled with crooked stock market manipulation, down sizing, cutting employee pay, eliminating benefits, layoffs, outsourcing, and hiring undocumented workers instead of citizens for their labor needs here at home, these are the chosen methods for increasing profits these days.

The conservatives and neoconservatives are barking up the wrong tree if they believe the one percent and Big Business want to return to the conditions of 1950s. Although, the very rich wife beaters might want to go back to a time when slapping the wife around was an accepted hobby, it’s certain none of the other fat cats think digressing sixty years is a good idea.

For the average Americans times are hard, but for the important people, the real good old days are now.

 

Why do you even bother making these topics if all you're going to do is preach?

If you're not seeking to understand conservatism, don't expect us to be receptive to any "critiquing" you think you're doing.

Take this right here:

My mother was a career Army officer that could kick your ass. I'm proud of her, she's done more for "women" than any "feminist" today can attest by simply being the baddass she was and still in many ways is.

And it's she, a combat veteran who has died thrice for her country, only to each time make death itself her b*tch, that wants a return to "Family values". Values, that you don't seem to know a lick about.

 

So, she's somewhat "dykey", that is hardly a justification for the ways conservatism craps on women, minorities, the poor, the unemployed, the disabled (including disabled veterans) the elderly, and everyone else who is not in upper income levels.

 

The Left keeps spouting those accusations and yet it's the Left that insulted Brown skin-toned Hispanics by relabeling George Zimmerman White just so that they could HATE him along Politically Correct lines. Let's see now what else has the Left done . . . oh yeah THEIR war on women in which they dramatically increased the cost of health care for most young women -- yeah that's gonna win them political brownie points come election day 2014. Then there is the fact that ObamaCare drops shorts and poops on just about everyone in this nation one way or the other -- courtesy of . . . the Left. Nice!

 

I didn't know George Zimmerman was Hispanic until well after the media was all over the story.

 

Dykey?

So it's liberal anti gay bigotry now?

Hello Alec Baldwin!

 

how old are you

 

Combat veteran in the fifties and sixties ?
I was in combat 51 52
No women in combat

 

There were no "Good Ol' Days" for the Righties to dream of....just their fantasy version of the 1950s or even 1920s...or if they are Beck fans, the 1890s.

They say "liberals believe in Utopia"....but ask a righty about their desired America...and it never existed. Never. Yet...they claim it CAN exist.

 

I see most post from conservatives here And it appears they don't even have The slightest idea of what the good old days really were like

Unlimited welfare
Both republican and the democratic party Majority liberals
Supreme Court majority liberal
Conservatives had their own third party
There was the segregationist party until they Merged with the Republican Party in the mid 1960s
Other than race relations the country was dominated by liberals
From roosevelt's new deal to johnson's great society

 

Well, your post was long and convoluted but I thought I might educate you on the advantages for the family, -woman, man and children--when a wife stayed home to manage the home.

Here it is:
You enjoy a quality life.
Take longer vacations and more often.
Save more money.
Eat Better
Have control on how your children are raised.
Have the ability to participate in your children's school and in the community.
Lower taxes.

The drawbacks:
Smaller...much smaller...house
Beat up car bought at an auction.
No eating out.

Ahhhh I wish I could go back to the good ol days.

 

The right wants a return to the good old days when white people walked the Earth like giants. They conveniently forget that the top tax rate was 90%.

 

Over and over ignorant leftists cite the top marginal tax rate of 90%.

Please cite how much that exact top rate collected please, and then explain to us how such a rate would concern many people at all.

 

good old days? they never really existed and we all know it. what we all would like to return to is our own youth and naivete. we see the past through a fog of our own delusions, delusions created by the fact that things just keep getting worse. no one wants to return to the days of polio and segregation (well, maybe a few sick folks and they reside on both sides of the aisle). what a lot of folks would like to see come back is some semblance of personal responsibility and maybe a bit of honest respect. our younger posters don't even know what these things are and our group of terminal adolescents refuse to admit that such things could ever exist. maybe that's because they are incapable of either of these things. instead of personal responsibility, what we have now is increasing restriction and government oversight of our daily lives. we have a government that is practically begging people to join up for free stuff, doing as little as possible and leaving themselves at the none too tender mercies of the state. instead of honest respect we have a list of politically correct mandates and a judicial system willing to shut down your business, redistribute your belongings and decimate your livelihood should you give the least offence to any one of the dozens of protected minorities under their care.

what we miss is the simple belief that the individual is capable of taking care of himself and even of rising above any disadvantage. this is something that most immigrants still believe in, but that so many of our domestic malcontents have lost sight of. it seems nothing is easy enough for these fools and nothing is ever their fault. there's always some evil corporation or some despicable political organization that is forcing them to go to too much trouble when everything - a home, food and even the clothes on their back - should be readily available, just because these things already exist. never mind the fact that these things are the product of someone else's labors. never mind that these things already belong to someone else. they exist and these parasitic worms want them, so it seems only natural to them that they should have all that they desire.

what i personally miss most is the idea that i was surrounded by grown-ups. it's rather sad to realize that i was more of an adult at thirteen than most of the electorate today. i may have been wrong about many things, but it was my own ass i was willing to put on the line for those beliefs. i ended up on the business end of police dogs, fire hoses and more than one well placed baton, but never once did i demand anything of others but that they abide by the very rules they themselves put in place. i have to ask of our resident malcontents just how much of themselves they are willing to sacrifice for their beliefs. i hear a lot of what other people owe your various causes, but very little about what you are willing to do to help those you feel are in need. i'm not about to hold my breath for an answer to that one. we are fast becoming a society of spoiled entitled brats, willing to do little and expecting everything.

 

Since you are so smart how much would it collect now?

 

Laughably, about as much as collected then. Which is...how much again?

 

Would you have preferred "butch"?

 

Ha! Nah, I prefer your first thought.

 

As I stated in the OP, due to the high tax rates, to reduce their tax burden the job creators did create jobs, and better paying jobs. Today with their tax cuts, the job creators have no reason to create jobs. But the right-wingers have been convinced these repeated tax cuts for the rich will motivate them to expand domestic manufacturing. Those tax cuts haven’t worked yet, but the righties swear they have and will continue to do so.

Thirty plus years, and the conservatives and neoconservatives still have the wool over their eyes that Reagan pulled there.

 

Then why the complaint, I WAS using the offensive language most appreciated and best understood by conservatives and neoconservatives.

Had I described the woman as having "masculine" tendencies, most of the righties here would have been forced to run to their dictionaries to look up the meaning of “masculine.”

 

Not only does he understand conservatism quite well, his critique was dead on point. His summation of those good old days, yesterday and today, couldn't have been more accurate.

 

Exactly, it was very ignored. If you base it off what the government wanted rather than what they got, you'd think that FDR took everyone's gold via executive order 6102 - but this was the most disobeyed "law" in the history of the union.

Horrible President, but also horribly ineffectual. In most cases people just ignored his Fascist rule.

 

Lemme get this straight. You're attempting to claim that - because of high tax rates - employers created more jobs. And in the course of creating more jobs, they made less money, and were - of course - able to prevent themselves from hitting this top marginal rate.

Oh please. Tell me more. Including what a tax shelter is.

ROFLMAO

 

How old are you?

You are either young and ignorant, or old and forgetful.

 

how about capable and self-sufficient, something the american left knows nothing about.