NAACP Jumps On the Phil Robertson Bash Wagon: He's a Racist

It was legal. Your interpretation of its influence notwithstanding. I am a person of principal. It is an ignorant position to suggest blacks were "happier".

 

I spent 1 yr as a kid in TX where our house was across the street from a cotton field. I use to hear the Blacks picking cotton singing as they picked and often talked with them. They seemed 'happy' but more so as 'accepting their lot in life' and maintaining their attitude as most were church going.

 

As I've said before, your posts demonstrate loose screws. I'm fully familiar with history, and I'll be damned if Phil's commentary offered purely innocently will be abused by you for a political purpose.

I for one believe him. It is perfectly logical and defensible to both believe him and understand the horror of the time. I believe what Phil largely meant about the black culture is that at the time, the black family unit was among the strongest in the world; the morals of the black family were among the strongest in history, and those characteristics rendered the black culture the strength to withstand the persecution which it experienced.

The loss of those characteristics have now - tragically - done the opposite to the black culture, and too few escape it to realize just exactly what and who is to blame for their downfall.

Liberalism has caused their downfall.

 

Myself, did not say happier...I said they didn't claim victim hood...but I guess today is better when they do.

 

I am a Black person that was raised in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood. Few, if ever in my life have I encounered anything that resembles racism...yet I am not foolish enough to believe my own experineces account for the sum of everyone else's. New York City is a prime spot to sit back and admire the poltiical discrimination afforded to the poor versus the rich, or the minorities versus the majorities, or the unions versus the corporate./buisiness...etc.

However, I don't blame you for not seeing it anyway. It was hard for me to see it at first because I did not live the life of others. But every once in a while, a moment of empathy allows you to see life from another point of view and I had one of those. It's not pretty. In fact, in speaks volumes about people, in general. We are all snobs.

 

They certainly knew their place... at the barrel of a gun.

I am done with this conversation.

 

NAACP, an organization that promotes racism, saying somebody else is a racist.

Hey kettle ...the pot is calling.

 

Did any of them claim to be victims? Basically you concur with what Phil said as he actually worked along side them.

 

I agree - then surely you should criticize those who would excoriate Phil Robertson for imbuing meaning into his words that aren't there. NOTHING in Phil's statement demands the assumption that he was speaking for everyone.

I'm sure it is.

 

Is it impossible for you to accept that the moral perpitude (sic: I use this word as the antonym of turpitude) of an individual allows them to withstand horrible persecution and still remain rock-ribbed, principled...and...*gasp*...happy?

Because that IMO is the VERY DEFINITION of 'SIMPLER TIME'.

You know what trait is required to attain such a level of durability?

Humility. I believe the black culture - its God fearing, Jesus taught, morally rigid structure was infused with HUMILITY.

And that level of humility allowed happiness within strife. That level of humility allowed their suffering to be given as a Gift to God in thanks.

That level of humility allows the people of that SIMPLER TIME to be better men and women than nearly ANY of us will EVER be.

 

OK, if it was, dispute it! Otherwise you're just blowing smoke.

 

I haven't read the interview and can't find it on the internet in it's complete form... I have no idea whether he was racist or not, though I do know that people tend to erroneously inflate or diminish things for a politial point or two. I'd have to hear or read the whole thing before I could decide.

 

Thought so.

 

Simpler time.

Happy blacks:






No seriously... sincerely... go (*)(*)(*)(*) yourselves. I am an American.

 

Fair enough. It's out there - but the fact that you're finding it hard to find his complete thoughts belies the truth in what I'm saying. People have taken snippets to intentionally rape the true meaning.

 

Hmmm...it seems a bit common that people tend to speak for God and God never speaks for himself...

Let's consider that we don't know what God did or didn't do, if he exists at all.

It seems like what you are saying is that subjugation is admirable for character development. So...if the United States were to be invaded and occupied by Russia and forced into a repressive existence, it would be good for America because it would teach them humility.

The United States was not founded on humility. No "great" state or civilization was. It was carved out of the world through violence. The condition of Blacks in America is a conroverisal thing, certainly, but it would have been my thought that we could all agree, in the least, that Jim Crow was in no way beneficial to Black Americans. It would be like me saying nailing your mother to the kitchen floor was beneficial to her upbringing because it taught her humility. You might punch me in the face.

 

I think you're off track. My position doesn't require an analysis of God's existence or true nature. It simply has to recognize what black culture thought of and about God, and the fruits of such belief in their culture.

By their fruits will ye know them.

I'm not saying that. The black culture's character was fully developed before the subjugation, and that character allowed the black culture to withstand it.

To somewhat agree with what you're getting at, however, I will say this: adversity can temper character. That's a certainty.

I don't think we possess the character as a society to withstand such a thing. I think it would take a generation, but I do believe it would return - yes.

I disagree, actually. I believe it was a cornerstone of our early culture.

Humility is not pacifism. You may be misunderstanding the nature of humility.

I don't think anyone rational could claim that Jim Crow was beneficial to Americans, but I do defend the notion that adversity steels the soul.

I think, however, that it is more accurate to say that adversity magnifies the character of the victim.

 

This is only really valid if you believe God, or thoughts of God palyed that much of a part in the cultivation of a culture. I do not and it can be misleading to believe that this or any other culture is a "God-fearing" culture, which is not true. Nor was it for the Middle-Ages, which is another common misinterpretation. The people had a much more immediate fear of their political/societal superiors than any God. God was often the pretense these superiors worked through.

Aside from this...nowhere is the idealistic works of God or his ideals evident in American history. Nowhere.

I'm not sure what developed means to you. You'd have to describe the ways in which Black's were more developed than modern times.

As for adversity, yes, it can lead to character growth, but it can also lead to character desturction, especially when you replace the word "adversity" for "gross malignancy". Slavery nor Jim Crow was not a concept of "tough love". We do not thank Hitler for the Holocaust, or Japan for Pearl Harbor. The good things that come from these things are done in spite of these terrible aggressors.

I think you have an idealised vision of the past. Suffice to say, there is nothing in American or general history that speaks of such characteristics being inherent in a paritcular people. To put it very shortly, actions are the result of circumstances- especially when involving mass groups of people. Unless specifically led by a definitive ambition, the civil populace of all nations have a remarkable abilitiy to endure the worst for considerably long spans of time.

LOL. In a way. The first pilgrims here starved because they were more concerned about gold than survival. They reosrted to cannibalizing each other, or digging dead bodies up out of the ground to eat. Many fled to live among the natives. This, perhaps, was the most humble America has ever been. Soon after, a steady streak of arrogance and aggression propelled America into an empire.

You'd have to describe what American humility is, exactly, for me to understand it.

Does rape magnify the character of a victim? Does the children of child abusers typically show stronger character traits in our society? Adversity is too clean a word, and is misleading. Atrocity sounds a bit better. Atrocity does not build the character of it's victims, inherently. It tends to just produce more victims.

 

Interesting and off topic fact, Phil started a head of Terry Bradshaw in college.

 

What is with the liberals and insisting he was saying they were happy with the Jim Crow laws? He never mentioned them.

 

I am well aware of legal discrimination, I have felt it, yet you say the underprivileged are not judged fairly. Yet we have a 16 yr old in TX, that was given a light sentence for "affluenza".

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Obviously his experience has been one of ignorance then.

This issue is as plain as day, yet you defend it, and call others, messed up, as if you are one to judge.

 

It is still an ignorant statement.

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His statement was in no way an indictment.

 

Hardly run of the Mill, disgusting. I believe I heard that Judge was about to retire, looks to me she figured she would leave with a bonus...

 

I completely agree with the NAACP: I grew up under Jim Crow in Louisiana just like he did...what an idiot! They should be offended, I am offended.

The NAACP and HRC were offended by the remarks, and they sent a joint letter on Wednesday to A&E that is drawing wide attention for calling out both the racially insensitive and homophobic comments Robertson made in the article, calling them "racist, homophobic and ill-informed." Here's a portion of the letter:

"As you may know, Phil attacked both African Americans and LGBT people in a recent GQ interview (January 2014) – saying that African Americans were happier under Jim Crow laws, and equating being gay with bestiality and promiscuity," the groups wrote, adding, "These remarks go beyond being outlandishly inaccurate and offensive. They are dangerous and revisionist, appealing to those in our society who wish to repeat patterns of discrimination ... Mr. Robertson claims that, from what he saw, African Americans were happier under Jim Crow. What he didn’t see were lynching and beatings of black men and women for attempting to vote or simply walking down the street."

There is much more than the above he didn't see but I sure saw!

 

Why is your opinion of what his experience should be the truth? I already gave the example of the two blacks I grew up with. How is that any different?

When race baiters try and fill in the blanks to call someone a racist is when I come off the rail. What pathetic human beings. He never said one racist remark and you call him a racist because he is from the south. You people are unbelievable