Israel Will Ditch E.U., Join Russia In Eurasian Economic Union

This is my edited translation of parts of a news item from a foreign source. It is quite important since it changes the geo political strategy in the Middle East. As the U.S. retreats from that part of the world, fear seems to be driving nations such as Israel, Cyprus and Greece to look towards Russia for protection.

I don't know if it's a game and pressure by Israel towards the U.S., but it can't be anything but frightening to the E.U. who had hoped that the gas finds in the Eastern Mediterranean would counteract Russia's monopoly.

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In a development of enormous geopolitical importance, Israel applied for membership in the Eurasian Economic Customs Union with Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus, and which might also include in the future: Ukraine, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.

As announced by the Office of International Trade of Israel and more specifically the Israeli senior official of the Office, Idan Posin: «The first step was to sign a free trade zone between Israel, Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus!"

This development together with the shrinking U.S. presence in the Eastern Mediterranean and the Middle East, and because of the huge economic problems facing the military superpower means that Israel has seen the sign of the times and in order to ensure its future survival has embraced Moscow in a historic geostrategic shift similar to that of Egypt.

An Israeli newspaper reports that a week ago the Israeli finance minister Naftali Bennett, met the Minister of Economic Development of Russia Alexei Ulyukaev and the trade minister of Eurasian Economic Commission Andrei Slepnevo in Indonesia, and agreed to "upgrade to a new level the commercial and economic relations between Israel, Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus. "

Foreign Minister of Israel A. Lieberman, who speaks fluent Russian language as a former citizen of Moldova (at 19 went to Israel) said Israel should seek a strategic alliance with another partner, instead of the USA.

"The relations between Israel and the main strategic partner is the U.S. has considerably weakened," Lieberman said, speaking at a public forum in Sderot surprising the international community. "We have to stop whining and complaining and instead to seek alliance with countries that do not depend on money or the Arab and Islamic world and who would like to cooperate with us on the basis of innovation," concluded the Israeli Foreign Ministry.

According to Yevgeny Satanovsky, president of the Institute for Israel and the Middle East to Russia, "The free trade agreement is very positive economical both for Israel and for Russia and strategically is of paramount importance and there will be a reaction by the EU and U.S.. "

Therefore, according to him, Europeans will do everything possible to 'prevent' Israel from signing an agreement with the Eurasian union.

"These will be legal question which will be taken care of by Israeli lawyers who believe they will be able to give the appropriate responses to European complaints," he concluded in his speech in Moscow.

 

I can't see Europe being bothered. There are at least 14 countries talking about boycotts to Israel so I think she is being realistic. I am more surprised at Russia given what I hear them say on RT concerning Israel. There again, I have read time and again that it is Russian thought which has taken Israel to the position she is in now.

 

The E.U. will not only be bothered, it will freak since they were dependent on the gas finds in Israel to break any future monopoly by Russia...and if you don't believe this is the reason for our attack on Libya and our support of the rebels against Syria, you are very naïve.

There has always been an animosity between the Jews and the Russians, but let's not forget the Soviet Union was an atheist state, and there was a great deal of intermarriage, so it's only a natural occurrence for Israel to forget its past grievances and form an affinity towards the Russians considering how many Christian in laws in Israel are Russian. As for the anger the Russians, Serbs and Greeks have always had towards the Jews because of their pressure on the U.S., and its interferences in their internal problems, they can be easily forgotten as they realize the unique situation the Jews have always found themselves in in their quest for survival.

Turkey, who the Jews have always been allied with have turned on Israel, which in turn has forced them to sign a defense agreement with Greece and Cyprus. Greece has also signed a defense agreement with Russia in order to protect its islands and the Aegean from Turkey and its crazed megalomaniac at the helm. Russia has now taken over the policing in that part of the world as the U.S. retreats and heads towards Asia.

I can't help but wonder how many of these nations who are now turning towards Russia, and away from the E.U. are doing it also because of the social issues that Germany and by extension the E.U. is imposing on them? Let's not forget that Israel has a lot of Orthodox Jews who would definitely be against things like gay marriages, so one can only wonder at the Pandora's box that is being opened?

 

The EU really has no choice but to go for further and further sanctions on Israel. Why would we attack Libya over gas concerning Israel, though I know the attack concerned Gas and Gaddafi's intentions in Africa.

I am aware the US support of the Rebels was over Israel but not over Gas. To be frank Europe could easily do gas deals with Iran if she needed. Certainly there is talk of making ourselves free from Russia on this.

Nothing to do with them being Jews, though I am aware of previous programs. I was speaking of their thinking on her behaviour usually criticising the West for accepting it.

Can't find the violin smilie

Nope Israel turned on Turkey and she likely will turn on anyone else who does not allow her to do exactly what she wants or demands she gives the Palestinians even basic human and civil rights. Given what you have said about her above, this might not be too good a move for her. In fact I have recently been discovering the activities of Eastern Europe in the Holocaust and to be quite frank they do not appear to have looked through their position and changed it very much. Admittedly the US has made us take most of them into the EU but I hear the Ukraine is full of Neo Natzi's - it was RT who told me that one, thinking the EU would not like them for that.

Don't be too sure of that. Greece has been forced to move in a way she would not otherwise because of her economic position. Another country with neo nazi's, I would have said, gaining momentum but the recent arrests would suggest that has been stopped.....interesting...

Where is your problem. Hint. The cold war is over. Plus, if need be the West has far superior weapons than Russia so no war. I would be much happier if there was a balance of control in the world like their was in the cold war rather than the West going on the kill. What has that to do with Israel. The Business with Turkey is again over oil. Greece would do better coming to a deal with her rather than getting involved with Israel.

Your living in la la land. I would have no problem if Eastern European countries left the EU. However the bigger problem is the West itself moving to the right. Now I remember today I could see how it would not go to the far right as I sometimes fear, but cannot remember how that was.

Your thing on gay marriages. Unfortunately neo conservatives in the US are spreading Homophobia which they hope to bring back to the States as you will have seen in this thread

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=336599

However, it is not impossible that the West will begin to see what has been going on and regain it's democracy and liberalism.

 

OMG - EU - is " dependent on the gas finds in Israel [/U]?

REALY ?

Where did you hear - read that $hite ? ?

Where's your source ? Or is it just once AGAIN daft wishful thinking on yr part. ??


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Oh, we got us a FRIEND in Israel, alright.

 

Maybe this is revenge for the recently exposed private EU diplomatic matter of cutting off aid funding to the Palestinian Authority.

 

From the comments I read from Russia, it seems that Putin had some trade agreements with Ghadaffi which I assume had to do with oil and maybe gas, and the reason he went along with the bombing was because Nato said it would not remove Ghadaffi from power. This is one of the reasons Russia refused to go along with the West in regard to Assad.

The talk was because of the major gas finds in the Israeli waters. This is why the E.U. is going to freak. Also if Israel is requiring lawyers to help solve the problem, it means the E.U. must have invested money or made some kind of treaty with Israel.

Why would Israel concern itself with Libya? Ghadaffi didn't show himself to be a threat, so there is no logic to it other than Arab propaganda.

No their friction had to do with the pressure being put on Russia by the U.S. for the benefit of Israel, not to mention the Jews who ran off to Israel with part of Russia's wealth. Look the problems go way back, it has nothing to do with the Palestinians. Now that Russia has its own problems with its Sunnis in the Caucasus, and how they are being supported by Turkey, the geo politics has changed.

You are wrong. Turkey is a self serving nation and Erdogan with his foreign minister Devotoglu have megalomaniacal ideas. They want to revive the Ottoman Empire and Palestine was a part of it. Erdogan realized that being allied with Israel wasn't beneficial to them any longer. He felt Turkey had enough lobbyists and that he didn't need Aipac.

The Mavi Marmara affair was all planned by the Turkish intelligence agency. They probably told Israel that certain people on the ship were terrorists, because it seems to me the soldiers knew exactly who to target.

There are neo Nazis everywhere, and most of them target the Muslim migrants. On a whole though the ones involved in the holocaust would have been the nations and people who are anti Russia...such as the Poles, and those who are favoring the E.U. in the Ukraine, etc.

You have no idea the threats that Greece is under by Turkey because of its dire economic straits. Erdogan has refused to accept the Treaty which was signed by Attaturk over the Aegean as well as in the Eastern Mediterranean. Turkish jets and ships have become more brazen, forcing Greece to spend money to keep up its arms so as to protect its islands. Even the fires that have ravaged many parts of the country are known to have been sabotage so as to hurt its economy, not to mention the migrants which are now almost one tenth of the population.

Greece has tried many times to come to terms with Turkey, but with Turkey it's all or nothing. For decades Greece did not search for oil in the Aegean even though they are Greek waters, in order to please Turkey. The American firm Noble Oil even tried to make a deal with Turkey and Greece to search for oil, and Greece was willing even though it is its own territory, but Turkey was not willing. The only reason I can see is that Turkey wants to take the islands as well.

Anyway now that Russia has made a defense agreement and will use the Greek ports for its ships, Turkey realizes it is not in a position of power and might be more reasonable. But then again Erdogan being pressured with these corruption charges against his government, might do something stupid the way many dictators have done and attack Greece or Cyprus. Then there certainly will be a war.

I don't know what you are talking about because you don't know the U.S. and it's people. This nation was established by different Christian denominations who wanted to escape religious persecution in Europe. This is why our Constitution says that the government cannot hinder a person's freedom to worship as they please.

The people have always been very devout. It is the very foundation of our nation and this is why we were always considered very Puritanical. This has changed, and now the country is split in two. As for our democracy, we always believed in free enterprise and individual freedom. The liberals in contrast believe in a strong government and limiting individual freedom. It's with the liberal Democrats and their regulations and taxes that have caused the American people to lose their freedom.

 

where do you always get that bull(*)(*)(*)(*) from?

 

Ez 39:1 I am against thee, O Gog, (and his royal guard), the Prince of Rosh, (the leader and his inner circle of associates within the Magogite tribe), Meshech (or Turkey), and Tubal (or Caucasian Iberians in Georgia, formally USSR, was part of the Ottoman Empire often used by the Iranian and Ottoman Empires for elite military units such as the Mameluks and Kizilbash.)

 

You didn't like what I wrote did you? Too bad!

 

Germany's hope was that Israel's nineteen trillion cubit feet of gas in the Leviathan off shore gas fields would help them free themselves from their dependency on Russian gas. This is why I said the E.U. will freak, and why the article said Israel will have to use its lawyers to explain its position to them.

Check it out yourself. The original plans were to have the Israeli gas go from Cyprus to Turkey and then to Europe. This is why Kerry pressured Israel to apologize, but Erdogan refused to make amends, so the plans had to be altered and have the gas contained in Cyprus or be carried by pipe line from Cyprus to Crete and then to Greece and Europe. Anyway this is what I know. I guess it caught you by surprise?

 

NETANYA, Israel — The huge reservoirs of natural gas discovered off the coast of Israel now flowing toward shore have the potential to transform the (*)energy-challenged country into a lean, green manufacturing machine — capable of supplying cheap, clean energy to its people, factories and vehicles for a generation.

Long bereft of the petroleum bonanza that created the modern Middle East, Israel suddenly finds itself a major player in the Mediterranean, and perhaps even the European, natural gas market.


Exclusive: Hungary seeks Israeli gas as alternative to Russian ...
www.jpost.com/.../Exclusive-Hungary-seeks-Israeli-gas-as-alternative-to-...‎

Can Israel work with both Cyprus and Turkey? - Natural Gas Europe

www.naturalgaseurope.com/israel-gas-export-cyprus-and-turkey‎
Sep 23, 2013 - Cyprus is hoping to attract Israeli gas and become a regional energy ... to diversify its supply portfolio and loosen its dependency on Russia.

 

It will end with a pipe line to Turkey and the Suez Canal and a new economic marriage between Israel and Egypt:

23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

 

no it was quite entertaining. Like we would care that this small country does what it does. They are an annoyance anyways.

 

this is complete bull(*)(*)(*)(*). You have to question yourself, who will Israel sell that gas if not to the EU. It simply has no other customer. We are in the stronger position. They must explain nothing, the market explains it to them.

 

Actually, I think that is a great economic union.
For Israel and all the nations listed.
I also believe it would be more advantageous to Turkey than E.U. membership. Especially with the 'stans.
Israel has been a partner to Turkey helping them develop industry and agribusiness.
Israel did similarly with sub Saharan Africa back in the fifties & sixties to circumvent, geographically, the Arab boycott.

I do not see the E.U. benefiting citizens outside of France & Germany.
Where some Greek villagers maintained a fishery, the benefits of the EU give German factory ships the right to wipe out those fisheries as they have.
Italy and Greece would be better off with a more Mediterranean economic union. Inclusive of Turkey, Israel and Northern Africa. Germany and France certainly have not done them any favors.


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stop your anti german rants and bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

And not one word in the real press about this- or from Israel itself.

 

Switch the channel if you dont like what you see.

 

This is from the official site of the Israel ministry of foreign affairs about the visit of Liberman to Moscow:

http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/PressRoom/2013/Pages/Israel-%E2%80%93-Russia-Mixed-Economic-Committee-8-Dec-2013.aspx

The information about a meeting in Indonesia also was confirmed on the official site of the Israel ministry of economy. But it's in hebrew.
http://www.moital.gov.il/NR/exeres/78CB68B6-A98F-45D4-8576-8B6BDDD39A2E.htm

 

There is a great opposition to sell this Gas at all to anyone, many want to keep it for a greater energy indipendance, if Europe does pose difficulties - it would be great of the Israeli ppl, not so for rich but (*)(*)(*)(*) 'em....

 

Link to source please.

 

Hmmm....very true, its an official Gov site,

It confirms what Jeannette posted, they met in indonesia - didnt they just found us guilty in genocide and global warming ?, minister Bennet the head settler movement no less lol......,

Anyway they are at survey point to check out the benefits and then possibly advance toward an agreement. it says the export to Russia in 2012 was above 1 Bln $ and a trade agreement would increase it in at least 50%, to Russia alone.

Why the hell not, we've got enough Russian speakers.....

 

If this is true, it would not be surprising considering that Putin has had good relations with Israel. Russia has really been playing it's cards pretty well in reaction to Obama's foreign policy failures. Although Russia has failed with Ukraine, they have made ground in many different areas. On the face value I wouldn't exactly say I'm happy about it but on a global economic/political sense most political scientists, even American politicians behind closed doors, are liking this as they all think the collapse of the Soviet Union was a disaster to global balance.