How to Really Fix Healthcare. Conservatives, take a Nitro before reading this

I voted for Obama in both elections and have been outspoken in my support but after going to the healthcare site yesterday and finding out that his new healthcare insurance would cost me so much that I would have to live on less then the $1200 mo. social security that we have to live on now, I will never support him again.

I had to take early retirement because of a couple of inoperable growths around right leg nerves and medical bills ate up any retirement funds that we had. Wife did not work enough years to draw social security and was holding off on drawing on mine so when I pass she would have a little more to live on each year. With this Obamacare, they say that she would have to apply now and not worry about the future. Besides that once she started drawing the social security, the insurance payments would be more then she drew each month. What kind of crap is that????

I will not support Obama or his policies anymore! I did not believe all the hype about Obamacare being bad and a bunch of lies until I tried to use it. So much for having faith in someone!

Greenbeard, As for that cheap plan or assistance with payments or whatever they call it: They told us that we would have to pay $220 per month and after a spend-down the insurance would pay 60% and we would still have to pay 40%. With needing four MRIs a year and follow-ups, where am I suppose to keep those medical bills paid? That's besides my medication for blood clots and monthly lab tests to control it. And, hoping nothing happens to the wife where she needs a doctor.

 

If the two of you are living off of $1200/month, you'll be eligible for Medicaid benefits, if your state opted to expand.

 

Bronze plans still have a number of "first dollar" coverage items like well baby, preventative, maternity, newborn care, immunizations, mammograms, pediatric vision, PSA's, and pap smears, so they are more expensive than the traditional catastrophic care plans. As for HSA's I don't recall mentioning them. So again, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Some Bronze plans have high deductibles? OK yes they do.

 

We checked with our state and this is what they told us we were eligible for. When we told them that we didn't want my wife to start drawing social security for reasons stated above, they said tough! If you don't file because it's considered assets, we can't even get the insurance I listed above.

So I guess we get fined and not sure what happens for medical. I've written both our congressman and white house to find options but naturally they don't reply.

 

I have better things to do. Nothing I can say will move you away from socialism. Simple solutions for simple minds.

 

It most likely has a lot to do with the fact that most patients don't really know or care how much the procedures they have cost. Insurance that is really not insurance, but a pre paid health care is a part of it. In nations with single payer plans, costs can be controlled artificially. In a single payer catastrophic care insurance plan, market forces will control the costs. In our non plan helter skelter sort of system, there is no control over costs. Obamacare really doesn't address that issue, but does help lower costs by lowering the number of uninsured.

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There is nothing more simple minded than calling everything you don't like "socialism" and then moving on.

 

After years of support, I've learned my lesson. Now I'm all for boycotting Obamacare and that's what I think most of the U.S. should do. That would change healthcare pretty quick.
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Why stop there? Why not nationalize all of business too. Then we would have all those millions CEO's get. Then we could give everyone a job, a small appartment, give them health care and pay everyone alike. Then we all can be equally poor and government would be the rich people.

 

As I've likely explained before in this very thread. I believe, as FDR did, that Americans should have the right to healthcare to ensure their right to pursue happiness. That right held by the people outweighs the right of other people to make exorbitant profits.

I believe in free markets in the vast majority of cases. Governments should interfere with free exercise of commerce only insofar to provide for the safety of workers, consumers, and the environment. Markets must be free in order for an economy to have long-term viability. I do not accept public ownership of business except on limited grounds. I believe in the necessity of having some sectors of the economy either government monopolies or having a majority of the market dominated by public corporations is a necessity to ensure the proper function of the markets. Publicly-owned businesses are, however confined to a small segment of the overall market, and not all sectors of the economy qualify for government ownership. First and foremost, when evaluating a sector for government takeover, the necessity of a sector to the proper functioning of society is paramount. For that example, the government should maintain its monopoly on law enforcement so that it is applied fairly. I believe fire protection and emergency medical services fall into that category as well.

 

There are so many socialists on this board it is hard not to call your claims what they are. Sometimes statism is a bit more accurate but it has the same roots as do Marxism, socialism, communism, progressivism and liberalism.

 

Why not just say it? You believe in slavery. Someone else should work for your benefit. You want something but you do not want to pay for it.

Let's see, the US healthcare portion of the US economy is about 20% of the whole. Nearly all of finance has been brought under federal control. Then student loans were nationalized. So already we are around one-third socialist.