The lack of Math and Scientific Knowledge in Ultra-Religious.

It's a metaphysical philosophy.

It does not solve the problem of lack of proof.

 

I have read much of this thread, I know enough about you from your numerous comments here to reply as I did.

And I notice that your mighty mathematical intellect could not formulate a meaningful response to any of my comments.

 

Most likely because your comments were either too general or ridiculously inane.

AboveAlpha

 

Quantum physics and other forms of higher mathmatics are of some interest to me but the math I use from day to day is much different.

I need to figure how to space 8 one inch holes equally in a 16 inch flange....or how many thousands of an inch to take off a round of metal to conform to drawings. And a lot of things that involve chords, radius, degrees, etc. I have to lay out most holes within a 64th of an inch.

It has nothing to do with religion or the speed of light...or even why we are here...but it is very useful math.

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Quantum physics and other forms of higher mathmatics are of some interest to me but the math I use from day to day is much different.

I need to figure how to space 8 one inch holes equally in a 16 inch flange....or how many thousands of an inch to take off a round of metal to conform to drawings. And a lot of things that involve chords, radius, degrees, etc. I have to lay out most holes within a 64th of an inch.

It has nothing to do with religion or the speed of light...or even why we are here...but it is very useful math.

 

Still nothing? Cogitate over the New Year break and see if you can work up something.

 

And here is the thing...this topic is specific to how I have noticed that Ultra-Religious Zealots seem to lack even BASIC Mathematical and Scientific skills.

As I have never met an Chemist or an Engineer or a Computer Tech. have problems understanding such obvious and basic things such as Humans are Primates just like all other Apes, Lemurs...etc.

As well such people will argue to the end that Humans are not Apes...even though Humans are in fact Apes.

Such people also cannot accept the fact we live in a 10 Plus at a MINIMUM Space-Time Dimensional Universe as to them all they can comprehend is 3-D.

AboveAlpha

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Oh...PLEASE!

Go ahead...ask something SPECIFIC.

AboveAlpha

 

I have no problem understanding that humans are primates or the theory of evolution (I have even taken some biology) but when you get past 3-D plus time I cannot fathom 5,6, or more...its just over my head.

 

An easy way to understand at least some of this is to think about FREQUENCY of Light and Electricity.

Photons and Electrons are Quantum Particle/Wave Forms thus they exist as both particle and wave.

Because of this Light has different wavelengths or frequency which denotes color as well as the type of Light such as IR-Light, UV-Light etc....as well as Electrons which as Electricity is used at different frequencies to power appliances as well as generate Radio Waves...thus at specific Frequencies...you tune in your car radio to a specific channel you like.

Now along a wavelength the Photon or Electron exists at ALL POINT OF POSITION SIMULTANEOUSLY UPON THAT WAVELENGTH....thus it exists as both Particle and Wave.

It takes a MINIMUM of 10 Dimensional States for this to exist.

AboveAlpha

 

This is what your faith tells you eh?
Your faith of theory.
Your faith of the possible.

You envision a day when an algorythm predicts every natural occurance? This is predeterminism. You might like the movie Pi. It combines your religion with Jewish mysticism. Of course it may offend you too, seemingly trying to corrupt your religion with senseless hooey.

We are random. People, thoughts, actions, dreams... all random. Not predetermined. Reactionary in many cases, but people are fully capable of generating random numbers. Computers... not so much. It is an amazing system, the mind. Those synaptic gaps.

It is funny you mention Quantum Mechanics... as it is the realm of chaos. Einstein didn't like it much... because he believed as you do, that God does not play dice... the quantum level is steeped in random behavior. It is the thing preventing the UFT from ever working... and we come full circle. Isn't it pretty when a plan comes together?

I no more expect you to accept the chaotic fabric of the quantum level than I expect to convince those radical Christians that the world didn't flood and a 650 year old man didn't make a boat to carry all the animals. But it sure is funny to watch you go at them.

 

Again...this is NOT religion or faith as it does in fact have some proof existing in the workings of the Natural Universe.

You simply just do not have the capability to understand such things as all TIME...past, Present and Future is happening concurrently.

Your inability to understand that for a CHOICE to exist....there MUST exist other branching Divergent Universal States where every possible version of a choice has been made.

We know such things exist and have been proven with experiments showing Multifunctionality of Quantum Particle/Wave Forms such as Electrons and Photons.

If you don't understand that last sentence of mine Google multiple functions and values of electrons per experimentation.

As I stated...it is not your fault you don't get this...many people do not.

AboveAlpha

 

Human beings have the ability to discern right from wrong independently of any input from the material senses, including cultural indoctrination; and the soul is what does the discerning.

They certainly do.

 

Two things have caught my attention here in the last 5 or so pages.
1.) AA says that only a few board members know "what" he is.
2.) AA claims that none of us can comprehend what he can do.
A man can only be a man. This is the realization that makes it OK with me that I don't feel diminished for having no interest in "explaining" the material world.
I find it odd that AA claims that one who studies math and science is in the process of "bettering" himself. "Better" than whom?
In the past, I've listened with interest to interviews with Sting and Paul McCartney. These men have dedicated their potential to the study of music. Are they somehow inferior to AA?
So, Above Alpha- you keep saying that you are not an atheist. Just because some of us are curious, may I ask for your thoughts regarding that subject?

 

You don't understand God because you haven't let him into your heart.

Doncha just hate condescending (*)(*)(*)(*) like that? Pretty much feel the same about the above.

I get it... you are badly explaining entanglement, and applying theories of your faith to them. What you are saying has not been "proven" and at the quantum level, it is sheer chaos. I recommend you consult a physicist, not comic books. I don't lack the capacity to understand the theories... I simply don't accept them as fact... and am aware of competing theory. It could go this way, it could go that. M theory could be correct, but we will never know. You are likely to faith the philosophy of strings, and hold it as doctrine.

It is just something religious people do.

 

I am an Agnostic.

As well I believe that every person has value and has a particular field that they are extremely good at....and their are many things I am sure others are better at than me.

The reason I posted what you have in turn re-posted as a question to me is a few hear were so inclined not to discuss or debate the actual topic but rather concentrate upon the author of the topic as this form of posting happens when it is difficult to refute a topics claims.

I never posted no one can comprehend what I can do...but I did post that I have extensive and a depth of knowledge into the subject that was being raised...Quantum Mechanics, Chaos Theory and Multiversal Theory that tend to go far beyond what the average person either can or could understand.

This does not mean I am somehow better than anyone else...it just means I have indepth knowledge specific to these fields.

As to what I am....you are better off leaving that alone.

AboveAlpha

 

The last line- yer' a funny guy. There. I didn't leave it alone. I haven't turned into a pillar of salt. There are no black helicopters in the yard. And you make about twice the spelling/editing errors that I do.

 

There is no evidence of that. This is silly. You don't have hard evidence of that, so it is absurd you pretend that the existence of the normal biological response to consider the consequences of action is anything but biological.

 

I have never said I am a wiz at English Grammar and the reason I stated it is better for you to leave it alone is for my sake not yours....well...maybe yours too.

AboveAlpha

 

Quantum Entanglement is different and a different manner to achieve what as of now Particle Teleportation.

The UFT and it's understanding along with the help of Quantum Computers would allow us to breakdown Matter into Energy....beam that energy over vast distances at the speed of light....and then with the original masses pattern stored in a Quantum System transform that energy back into matter.

AboveAlpha

 

Every human being has evidence of that, and everyone who seriously claims not to is either delusional or psychopathic.

Discerning right from wrong is not about consideration of consequences, because it's not possible to predict them.

You really have no idea what you're talking about.

 

He actually does know what he is talking about and you cannot provide a single bit of proof to back your claims.

AboveAlpha

 

It ain't that difficult to discern from your posts that yer the kinda' guy who might appear on this forum:
http://www.warriortalk.com/forum.php
I might wonder if it isn't your JOB, but you don't appear to have much esteem for the AK, so we'll let it rest.
You ARE an operator though, and that's as specific as that can be.
It's a little entertaining to see that you don't claim to be much for grammar and the like. I take that as your ode to humility. Men of arms are often not men of letters, and that kinda' goes back to your lament/complaint in this thread.
So consider guys like Ralph Waldo Emerson. The closest thing I saw him write that has any relation to science was where he said that the universe is like the skin of an onion. You get the onion all figured out. Then you peel away the skin, and it's a whole new thing to figure out. He mused that God plays with us this way. When Hubble went up, I heard that the universe was around 15B years old. Hubble peeled away a layer, and saw for more like 21B years.
So what about the subjects of Emersons' most known writings, like Self Reliance and Compensation? You probably live by them, but how could math describe these concepts?

 

Beyond light speed. What you were asserting IS entanglement, and like any good Christian you blend fact and fiction to lend credibility to your faith.

Your Dr. Manhatten belief of compressing time/space into a framework subjective to the preceding dimension is convenient, but hardly fact. Like compressing the third into the second... a hologram is NOT 3 dimensional... it is an illusion. A trick of stereopsis. Your faith in all possible past present and futures threading together through the event horizon, as an eye of a needle, is seductive mental masturbation... but it is not fact. Unlike you, I will not suggest my opponent is out of his depth... I will simply suggesting that you are arguing philosophy as physics. They are different disciplines. A scientist seeks to prove truths, not prove they are right. They also accept the difference between possible, likely, and proven.

Some humility will serve you well in this discussion. Just a suggestion.

 

Demanding proof of my claims is at least a million times more retarded than demanding proof that a=a.

 

Everything a person is does and can do can be described Mathematically simply because our Brain's are Probability Engines and use a combination of learned experience and known data to make decisions.

AboveAlpha

 

Apologies if I'm wrong, but I don't want to read the entire thread so I'm going to make a judgement call on your relative positions.

You are wrong if you think quantum entanglement isn't consistent with existing physical law. Firstly, entanglement is a quantum theory, and relativity (the thing which you're implying precludes it) is a macro theory. Relativity was never intended to explain the quantum environment so entanglement breaks no known physical laws.

Secondly, most physicists agree that entanglement doesn't involve motion through traditional space-time anyway. Most quantum theories, such as M-theory (the most popular derivative of string theory) require at least ten dimensions to consistently work, and it is the popular belief that the entanglement effect works because the cause and effect process is permitted access to these quantum dimensions.

Finally, entanglement is not the same thing as teleportation, because the experimenter is still left with the original copy. Entanglement will produce a reverse clone data image. Effectively what we're talking about is the transfer of information. IMO, entanglement is not properly understood because humans are lacking a comprehensive theory of information. Specifically, for example, one including a definite conclusion about its physicality or non-physicality.