Part II What's holding Black America back

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Well well, you fell at the very first hurdle in proving obama is potus. Pitiful.

 

prove it

 

forgive me, idont have a tv or read the newspapers.

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see post 495 and so on

 

exactly, nothing can be proven we just go round and round.

 

Yah got me, I don't have a time machine for us to use, so that we can both stand together looking at the actions of slave owners, port/dock owners, sailors, govt officials in relation to the slave trade, and hence show you the proof in your face. Guess we are done here, maybe we can continue the debate when time machines are invented.

 

Why does anyone respond to guttermouth? Free Advice -- don't feed him. Ignore him.

Between Guttermouth and everyone who responded to him, you cluttered up the thread with nonsense bickering. You made PF worse as the result of your actions. Stop responding to him as its evident by his 54 posts in here , he contributes nothing.

 

exactly you cant prove your point. you failed

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everyone starts somewhere and so did you. dont pretend you're better than others because you've been here longer

 

Yes, but the thread is about possible reasons blacks academically underperform. Guttermouth is not alone in his views. Most of my dozens of family members share them. I've heard them all before. I believe after all this bickering, the answer to the OP is self evident to objective readers. Just the fact that a great many of people with Gutter's views exist in this country, and in its classrooms, can indeed explain a few percentage points difference in blacks' academics. Just read what Gutter is saying, and imagine being one of the only black kids in class listening to that version of history. Inevitably, it will have an effect in the macro view of things. It must be a factor in the OP's question.

 

and until you can prove it which you haven't then you're only assuming and pretending your opinion is fact.

 

We've gone on long enough. This will be my last reply, out of consideration for the limit on number of posts in a thread here. You seem to have lost sight of the OP. This is about finding out why blacks academically underperform (in some studies). I believe an objective reading of all my posts show that I am honestly seeking an answer to that OP. While the same objective reading will show that you have another agenda here. Thanks for your time, and showing the readers a possible reason blacks underperform, if we are to believe the studies in the first place.

 

you said its whiteys fault and you failed to prove your case. have a nice day

 

Many White Americans don't actually care about Black Americans. Many problems will persist, until that is rectified.

 

most whites dont care about skin color so nothing needs to be rectified.

 

That's a piece of the pie, but many Black Americans don't care about Black Americans either. Most, if not all, problems will persist until that, too, is rectified.

 

thats liberalism in a nutshell: you cant even be neutral and color blind now you have to take peoples race into consideration or else you're racist.

 

If you think you can/should ignore ethnicity, you aren't being realistic.

It affects our politics past/present.

It's not something exclusive to 'liberals'.

 

are you trying to tell me black people should be treated differently than white people?

 

Please show their parents achieved income without education, in the statistical aggregate. That flies in the face of the known correlation between income and education.
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No, they didn't, even with cherry picking they didn't beat the NYC schools that took all their rejects, that's just pathetic
Common core tests 2013:
Harlem Zone ELA 24% City average ELA 25%
Harlem Zone Math 31.5% City Average Math 30%
http://dianeravitch.net/2013/08/22/...ed-unimpressive-results-on-common-core-tests/

I have to ask you to stop just saying things and show them with some data. The papers are all over the place with conclusions, you can't take one sentence from one paper.

If as you say the requirement to get out of poverty is to have middle class parents, then a person could never escape since there is no way to break the cycle, so why bother with school?

You guarantee it? based on what? we know they didn't beat the national black average, so I can't accept your guarantee as proof, how about some evidence?

. I didn't know having conclusions made before discussion was a requirement in here, seems closed minded. Obviously part of the gap is that blacks have a culture problem, otherwise Somalis would not kick their ass in the same school, with the same teacher, and with the same family incomes. The Somali experiment beautifully factors out any racist effects of schools and 'the system', and should be a lesson for black people to take a hard look at. That is what Ogbu said, and he was absolutely excoriated by the media and fellow academics for it. Those are the liberals I am talking about, self assured religious and political hacks (liberalism shares the same characteristics as religion). They pop up in here all the time, I could name them but you know who I mean, and they will not accept any explanation except racism.

The IQ portion of the question has been left open, you put it as #1. I have a suspicion and will give that evidence later, but for now it is left open. You really don't understand me, I actually study before drawing firm conclusions. This is part of that study.

There is mountains of evidence, you are not paying attention, but I'll just leave this piece of demographic good news. are you religious? you better pray if so, we simply cannot afford any more recessions

This is another topic, we gave our low end jobs away.

I don't think poor blacks are health nuts. The problem with culture as you define it, it isn't accessible to investigation. You can't make any sort of empirical conclusions in then end. In order to avoid the intelligence issue, there will always be culture and racism as the great undefined hand-wave explain-all. I am attempting to at least try and make sense of it.

You have then a great contradiction to resolve if you don't prove they made it to the middle class without education. If you are right, then we should forget about school and have blacks focus on how to get income without education. Your task is before you, prove these people wrong

http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/j/jencks-gap.html

did you read the link?

 

Who keeps creating these threads?

 

this thread isnt that bad

 

No, I am not. Did you read what I wrote?

 

People who fought for segregation are still alive today. The ideology is still alive. Denying institutionalized, hegemonic oppression just makes matters worse.

Also, your anti-liberal diatribe doesn't help your cause.

 

Amen and AMEN!!

 

So environment doesn't matter... just an innate sense of drive, natural competence & motivation? It's that across the board?