Britain's Tea Party sees gains

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  1. tamora

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    A little basic research would have told you I was right about the trade issue. Why do you think ‘individual economies of British individuals’ will suffer?

    But UKIP is growing and it’s not a reactionist movement at all. It is however filling a void that our more established parties have left open. I suspect UKIP, and especially its economic spokesman and its leader, know a lot more about economics than you do. I don’t know enough about the Tea Party to say what it is.

    In what sense is Britain yours?

    Hypothetical questions are good, but let’s at least keep it feasible. In what forum could German Gypsies block vote in some Cornish independence?

    Where has UKIP said it wants nationalistic independence? Let’s have a direct quote from the party. Or failing that, a direct quote that you have somehow interpreted as being what the party wants. And if integration is the answer everywhere on Earth where are the equivalents to the European Union?

    I know what democracy does and I know what the alternatives do. I’ll always take democracy as by far the lesser of the two evils. You haven’t shown much awareness of how the EU works so far, so I’ll look upon your view of the ‘checks and balances’ within the EU with a wry smile.

    Dial your tongue down a lot at least until you have some factual basis for winding it up. I wouldn’t know about the Tea Party, that’s for Americans to judge, but in thinking UKIP has only the answers that the banks want is just completely devoid of reason. If politicians had listened to voices like UKIP’s Europe wouldn’t have adopted euro which had the fulsome backing of institutions like Goldman Sachs. It was the EC which sanctioned the multi billion euro bank bailouts too. Y’know how reckless banks lend billions that their creditors cannot possibly repay, yet they don’t suffer because EU supporting politicians have said their taxpayers will guarantee their losses? Banks have no reason to support UKIP and UKIP hasn’t conned anyone. Pro-EU politicians however are past masters at.

    I thought we were discussing reform of the EU? And the UK has devalued its currency. That’s just what quantitative easing has done. But don’t worry about us, we can manage our economy on independence without your advice, thanks all the same.
     
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    There is one thing in common between all industrialized countries, and this is their structural defficiency in labor market participation, structural unemployment, and structural underemployment. There has only been one thing on Earth that successfully resolved this problem, and that is international mobility of labor. Why would the UK be any different? So, a UK independence buys nothing for the average British.
    I can't help thinking that this void is only artificial, created by Britain's leading national Banks. The overwhelming mind control in Britain against the Euro currency points to this direction too, as an indicator to the attitudes that control the British. I think an economy spokesman speaks for whoever pays him, so I would take his points with a pinch of salt, in the economic sense. By the way, the Tea Party is no better than the UKIP, a shell for players that want to break up countries and unions, to profit from it.
    Okay, let's see. Here are just a few points, could be infinite.
    1. Physically and geographically. "Britain is America's biggest aircraft carrier."
    2. Being American is the fastest way to a British woman's heart.
    3. It is the UK's job to represent America's interests in the internal processes of the EU.
    4. As per UK law, any British citizen wanted by the FBI is automatically extrodited to the USA.
    I was looking at the regional initiatives within your link, and although I didn't go as far as specific case law with it, but if I get them right, then a vote for e.g. a bilingual administration in the EU Parlament will override a member state's law about a single national language. Am I very far from the truth?
    Exiting the EU is by definition a nationalistic independence move, because the EU's purpose is nation-to-nation integration. Equivalents to the EU are everywhere. E.g. check the post-colonial establishment of India, a union of regions, each as good as an independent country. China could be another example, although much older than the EU, China was created as a union from an array of countries, after their war with each other, by the Chi dynasty. Then, the USA was an inspiration for the creation of the EU too. ...
    The EU has the advantage that it is not drowned in democratic processes. For example, the fact that the European Council, and the EU's executive, the Comission, are not directly elected, is a little like our US Electoral College at work. This is very unlike the popular democratic voting processes that support the politically encouraged criminal behavior in the member states' local administrative institutions. Too bad, that the Council and Comission members are from "districts" that are the same as the member nations by territory. This locks the disadvantages of democracy into the executive processes of the EU, legitimizing the oppressive nature of democratic decisions.
    No. If the UK was not a member of the EU but independent, then the Bank of England would have done the same. Yes, Goldman Sachs controls the US FED and the EU Central Bank and all national banks where US investment dominates, certainly including Britain. There would be no difference, the UKIP is gullible or dishonest with this speculation, just like the US Tea Party.
    So, is it not a 2-way choice, that is between the EU or the US for Britain? Or, does Britain prefer a remote partner such as China and India? Either ways, the leading British banks may make profitable deals with these giants, but the actual people of Britain will be locked in with diminished options, as described above and already clichee in other countries where China is the dominant trading partner. Will England be the Mexico of Europe?
     
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    Show me one piece of evidence that the land clearances were started by the English or that Churchill was a child abuser.

    Bill failed. And that's providing that this blog is actually telling the truth.
    Whose?

    Which specific alliances? The only thing I've stated about my family & connections is that I knew people in Northern Ireland.

    Extremely dubious.
    I'm not going to debate who were the of Britain's prime ministers.
    Wow you're actually talking about the subject.
    Anyway this more about UKIP rather than the US Tea party
     
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25740462

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    At least government is making some concessions to the people regarding the parasite that is the EU.
     
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    VERY interesting. If such ultimatistic rhetoric is what the UKIP huffs-and-puffs itself with, then the right answer is for Britain to join the Euro currency zone. That is if the interests of the average British are to be served. Too bad, the average British are fooled with the same bull propaganda as the average US Tea Partier is fooled with. Banks love pushing people into extreme existential problems, because it breeds stupidity, the easiest commodity for banks to exploit. I thought the British were smarter than that. Aren't we Americans the stupidest? No, we have now been outdone by our British friends. HEHEHE
     
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    Considering our currency worth more than yours I think it would a flawed idea to use the Euro.
    And right now it's 63 cents more.

    That's bordering on conspiracy theories.

    Don't insult me or my country and if this continues then I will have no problem reporting it.

    Some of you are and there's also a great number of you.
    We're not your friends.
     
  7. tamora

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    Oh FCOL! Deficiencies in our labour market can be addressed without mass immigration and a right to permanent settlement. There are points systems, work visas, and you’ve obviously heard of Green Cards, being an American? We don’t need mass immigration. If this country can’t be run successfully with the 62 million+ people already here, mass immigration will hinder not help.

    You think all you like. I listen to all informed opinions and UKIP’s economic spokesman is someone whose opinion I value and he is an internationally renowned economist (and not paid by UKIP. Sometimes people do things just because they are principled.) Now what qualifies you to provide advice? It was only a few days ago you asked how the EU worked! Any mind control is orchestrated in favour of the EU, but the case for withdrawal is still so clear that Europhile politicians appear to be scared to debate with politicians who want to leave. They prefer to hold farcical debates between themselves.

    Like I said the Tea Party is for Americans to judge, but your opposition to it is one point in its favour for me.

    You’re priceless. You’re deluded in your second point, but as for the rest, you keep reminding me why I vote for UKIP. But let’s not forget we are in reality, the EU’s. It is the EU’s policies which are superior to Britain’s and it is the EU’s courts (and the ECHR) which have superiority over Britain’s Courts, ie they decide if British policies are lawful. No incoming government may any of that change that unless it first secedes from the EU. On the other hand we have no treaties or agreements with the USA that may not be overturned by an incoming government. There’s another reason for not voting for any of the entrenched parties.

    I have no idea. The European Commission’s website is simply enormous and I haven’t read anywhere close to all of it. I doubt anyone ever has. Could you therefore link to the actual page you’re referring to?

    Ok, amateur EU supporters usually see like to pretend 'nationalism' is something close to Nazism. Thank you being sensible enough not to do that at least. Your examples though are from an age when regions came together a lot more naturally than the EU has and it is a poor imitation of the US. Each state, even now, has more independence than any EU member state has after only 50 years of integration.
     
    I wouldn’t call the EU’s anti-democratic style any kind of ‘advantage’. Obviously we’re never going to agree on the benefits and disadvantages of the various systems of government, but perhaps you could note the correct spelling of 'parliament' and 'commission' when replying?

    You mean “I think” again.

    The EU is happy to be in Goldman Sachs' pocket. And don't judge UKIP by the same shabby standards of their rivals. Politicians should control bankers, or at the very least ensure that bankers don't shaft the people.

    To use an old quote, “… I say that it is a narrow policy to suppose that this country or that is to be marked out as the eternal ally or the perpetual enemy of England. We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow.” It should still hold true today. Politicians instead seem to want to serve their own perpetual interests and those who pay them. (I noted the probably unintentional irony in your comment about UKIP’s unpaid spokesman speaking for whoever’s paying him.)
     
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    :roflol:
     
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    You shouldn't be this afraid of me, nobody is. Or are you some stalker or something? Don't spook members of this forum in the middle of a spirited discussion.

    Apart from this, remember, that your nationality is only worth as much as the nationalities that your nationality has taken off the map. And if you take it personally, then it makes it your personal crime, so don't do it. Can I put you on my ignore list? You would be the only person on it.
     
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    Hey Tamora I have really enjoyed reading your replies and I have also learnt a lot from you. I would like to reply but the forum's stalker, Pro-Consul, has spoiled the fun of this all. Can I send my reply later? Thanks for the chat, and I think you are the best! :)
     
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    What?

    You replied to my comment and then I to yours. And I'm not afraid of you, I don't even know you.

    >>>Flame Removed<<<
     

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