West Virginia chemical spill

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    I'm wondering if regulations were the problem in West Virginia's chemical spill, polluting their water supply, and probably causing cancer for generations, for years to come? 1991 was their last "regulatory" inspection, through TWO owners. Would those owners be the ones responsible for all of that, or would right wingers claim that 'government regulations' (and NOT profiteering) was the culprit? The right is always so quick to highlight how bad regulations are, and how they 'interfere' with 'business', I was wondering what they thought here, and hoping they could chime in. They seem to be MIA.
     
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    Well, good. No responses. I guess that means the right wingers don't want to step up and defend the culprits. I guess that's good?
     
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    The Right-wing always is mute, or stupid ,when it comes to the Destruction of the environment ,and corporate criminality .
    Whereas the seekers of truth ,the left-wing ,is always exposing and delving deeper .

    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/01/23/wvir-j23.html

    Mr Money bags Capitalists can NEVER be anything but CRIMINAL ,Negligent ,and destructive ,goes with the accumulation of Capital.

    Mas poisoning in West Virginia, what concern Obama ,NOTHING ,par for the Course as far as what the US Working Class and their Families can expect,no protections and the ripping up of any regulation of Capitalism ,EVERY REGULATION . .
     
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    BitterPill New Member Past Donor

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    I just wish the wingers would understand that private enterprise needs to be closely regulated. After all, if a company is for profit, profit is all it's interested in.
     
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    Actually, in addition to the push to deregulate everything, there is also a quieter way to nullify regulations that are in place by defunding enforcement.
     
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    Taxcutter says:
    Got any proof of that.


    BTW, WV has a Democrat governor and has had one for some time.
     
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    These are the kinds of issues they willfully 'overlook' though, you're right, and they know that. They find it easier to enhance their rhetoric though, rather than acknowledge any responsibility for it. Much more profitable that way, and the chances of them getting away with skirting responsibility for anything are very good. It'll only stop when people demand it to stop (and people are so lazy, and self absorbed, I doubt they'll ever do anything about it unless it affects them directly). Sad, but true.
     
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    Got any proof that it doesn't?

    Democrat? So what? Corporations own them too, as I've indicated repeatedly. I'll bet the checks get to where they're supposed to though, huh? Responsibility, is 'somebody else's' job, I know. When it comes to that, suddenly, the parties responsible disappear, file bankruptcy, or claim it was Obama's fault.
     
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    Well the regulators did a (*)(*)(*)(*) job monitoring the site, but they are government and no one will get fired for gross incompetence like not showing up to your job in a decade plus. We all know an insurance company wouldnt do that, but alas meaningful regulations like "have on hand enough insurance to cover your mess" wasn't there, only to comply with their regulatory rules that allowed the storage of chemicals near water. (That storage bin was in compliance with what the government wanted). So here we are, with incompetent government off the hook, everyone in government that failed will keep their jobs still, no one required to pay out because of bankruptcy and no insurance and this is what you call "progress"? Wonderbar.
     
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    It's all the government's fault. Never the profiteer's. Yes, I expected that same old, tired rhetoric, of course. They're always as pure as the wind driven snow, and it's probably just all Obama's fault. (even though two owner/profiteers collected all the checks and sucked up all of the profits..it had to have been Obama's fault...I know). Profiteers go on killing and destroying everything, and their advocates push the blame onto somebody else. We know.
     
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    Oh it is their fault too, but the questions is who do we want to monitor them? People who will have to pay directly if they have a problem, or people who get paid with no consequences should something go wrong?

    If you are waiting for perfect people, dont hold your breath. Mistakes will happen even in a perfectly regulated and monitored world. The questions are "what mechanisms are best to address the problem, how do we create incentives to prevent it from happening, and how do we ensure that those who are harmed can get paid for their damages?"

    Government regulatory bodies do a pretty crappy job of all those things wouldn't you agree? They did here. And what do you think their punishment will be for not protecting the people? More pay? More power? Same flaws? Of course.
     
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    Wherever piles of cash and corporate politics gather, corruption breeds. I'd agree with that. Do we blame the owners, or do we pass the buck? I say, the owners.
     
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    Taxcutter says:
    Even in a civil court a plaintiff has to present credible evidence of injury. If he does not, the defendant doesn't have prove anything.

    Carry your burden of proof.
     
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    We've had a Democratic President for 5 years and the Republicans are still the ones causing trouble. The People of W. Virginia have a habit of voting for people who run on conservative values and the idea that government should not be regulating people's lives. They seem to think the right to a job is more important than the right to live. They voted to keep their coal mines deregulated even in the face of the explosions that killed a bunch of miners, and after all, those stinkin' tree huggin' EPA people are job killers! LOL!

    Sadly, 1 Democratic leader cannot undo 25+ years of bad Governing, even if he had a mind to do so, which is not how he got elected. The area where spill took place is also called "Chemical Valley" as a nick name, because ALL the other fresh water sources around that region are already so polluted they are undrinkable. The saddest part of the whole thing is the people, through their own ignorance and short sighted greed for jobs, voted for the mess they now own. I say the 3rd party is responsible for it, not the government, not the corporations, but the people them selves.
     
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    I read somewhere that a ice building up in a municipal water pipe is being investigated as the cause of the tank rupture. Getting a little worked up chasing political boogeymen at this point aren't you? I mean if mother nature ruptured the tank, a lot of people here will have some egg on their face.
     
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    Nationwide, the biggest cause of water pollution is municipal sewage systems.
     
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    It's not very convenient for them to chime in, when you've left little ammunition for them with your "self explanatory question" with only one answer. :smile:
     
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    Thank you! :thumbsup: It's amazing how sometimes so few words can mean so much.
     
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    Corporate raiding all the way, huh? Never the profiteer's fault, is it?
     
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    WAKE UP AMERICA (the above is correct).
     
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    Taxcutter says:
    You cannot carry the burden of proof in empty slogans.
     
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    They are bankrupt, and were paying regulators to do a crappy job rather then an insurance company that would have had a reason to monitor and protect their money. You do know insurance companies like their money right?

    That regulators like their money too right? And they are stilll getting paid, the business is bankrupt and the people screwed. Now in what way is my plan not superior to that outcome?

    Dont bother emoting about greed again. It was boring 6 months ago surely you can post once without resorting to emotion about the evils of the Gap, or Chilis or some other "evil" institution.
     
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    Must have been Obama's fault then. Maybe some poor person who worked there at one time. Couldn't possibly be the profiteer's fault. I understand.
     
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    The people are screwed. You said it.

    BIG MONEY is the problem, as it ALWAYS is. The idea the greed breeds corruption, and corruption breeds greed may bore you but, it doesn't change the fact that the people are screwed, as you said. Same old, same old, with big piles of cash floating in and out of corporate fat cat pockets. Geez, if we had only them them 'self regulate', then everything could have gone perfectly, huh?
     
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    Deliberately obtuse.

    What is being said is that they need to be regulated, and that the ones who will best regulate are the ones with money at risk; the insurance carrier.

    In this scenario, government's role is to require insurance, that's it. The insurance carrier is now fully on the hook for any accidents that happen. They would require periodic and thorough inspections to renew the policy in order to minimize their exposure. Everybody wins. the company is in compliance with law. The insurance carrier has a perpetual customer, by law. And the people are protected in TWO ways, if there IS an accident, the insurance carrier is responsible for making it right, AND the insurance carrier is constantly on the corporation like a pack of wolves to make sure everything is up to snuff and safe as it can possibly be. Maximum effect, minimum government.
     

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