Would Israel attack a non violent neighbour ?

In May 2009, The Human Sciences Research Council of South Africa released a legal study, subsequently published in 2012 as Beyond Occupation: Apartheid, Colonialism and International Law in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, finding that Israel is practicing both colonialism and apartheid in the occupied Palestinian territories, according to the definition of apartheid provided by the International Convention for the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid.

 

As can be seen from the above posts the majority of those that suffered under apartheid see the same brutality in the Israeli system in the Occupied Palestinian territories

 

I dont believe I sew it in my eyes, just last week Palestinian policemen arrested Arabs in the West Bank that wanted to kill Jews.
The Jews in the West Bank have their own roads and buses as the Arabs have their own roads and buses, and you have this separation because in the Arabs cities the PA control, AS THE ARABS WANT.
To remind you the Arabs want their own roads and buses and laws and rule, and that is what Israel give them nowadays in the West Bank, not Israel or the IDF care what they do inside of those cities, to the Arabs there have their own elections every couple of years about who will be in their government, and the Arab children go there to schools and everything.
Israeli government didnt build anything in the West Bank, Israeli government destroy settlements in the West Bank for years over years.

The Military checkpoints take place ONLY on places which are in the Israeli rule, you will never see the IDF do checkpoints inside of where the PA rule.
to remind you THAT IS WHAT THE ARAB WANTS, they want this separation, they want their own roads and buses and all that so now when they live like that years now its wrong? nice.

Discriminatory marriage laws? in Israel Jews and not Jews can marry their love ones in every way they like to.
You have the West Bank barrier ON ISRAELI TERRITORY, on Arab territory- where the PA rule you would not find it.
use of Palestinians as cheap labour? the Palestinians themselves enter Israel to work cause THEY WANT TO AND NOT CAUSE SOME FORCE THEM, THEY WANT TO WORK IN ISRAEL.
inequities in infrastructure? well as i said it before in the Arab cities the PA rule there and NOT ISRAEL, the PA decide what to do there, THATS WHAT THEY WANT, the Palestinians want they own territory with their OWN GOVERNMENT, as they have today, what happen in the Arab cities in the West Bank is not Israel problem cause they dont rule there.
legal rights? Palestinians in the West Bank (even if they dont have Israeli citizenship) every year they sue Jews in the high court of justice inside of Israel for their land and the high court of justice say they right and after that the settlements are destroy by force BY Israel,
and access to land and resources between Palestinians and Israeli residents in the Israeli-occupied territories? to the Palestinians have their own land that they can go whenever they like to that those lands are near Jewish settlements without anyone will tell them to go, and the land that those Palestinians have no access as well there is lands in the West Bank that Jews have no access to go there.

IF you read my rest of my comment you will understand by now that the roads in the West Bank that is for Arabs those roads are under the PA rule, they are not Israel problem.

 

This thread is asking if isreal would use military force against a neighbor. the op stated that they would not do this because the world would not tolerate it. of course, we could look back to gaza and see that isreal did not accept a cease fire that was offered as it was sick and tired of the rocket attacks, so the op is incorrect, if you ask me.

If you were to look at isreal's mistreatment of palestinains, they are free to go back to palestine. this would be like going to your and my homelands, as i also stay in south africa. i stay in cape town, nice to meet you!

Now, seeing as how they are free to go, they are not prisoners, and neither were the blacks of south africa. they were free to go home to a built house, a bit of grown food and as much rights as anyone could want. now i suppose you will ask how they could leave everything behind? well, look at the urban movement towards cities that leaves so many homeless and jobless - why do they come?

You seem to have arrived at the notion of jews being evil or something. if they were, then they would build concentration camps and deport them there to live in real misery. if it were a case of that, still nobody would intervene. that is because america supports isreal in nearly anything they do.

If you want to compare isreal to south africa, they might be the same, but nothing illegal is going on, as the majority is happy. that is politics - making as many people as possible happy while still making money. they live on the west bank, there is a chance to make money, they want to make money. america has urged them to stop building there but they continue. this is like a big firm bulldozing shacks for land to build on isn't it? big firms support many people and will always get their way, as, the state will always want to make as much in taxes as possible, and, the taxes on big firms is very high.

If you were faced with having to move, you could stick around and feel unwelcome, but, you would probably move. it is not like they stole the land, i bet the tenants were hanging around expecting to get prime luxury building money type deals?

 

"Israeli government didnt build anything in the West Bank," well Israel published tenders for 600 new homes in East Jerusalem and 801 in Judea and Samaria settlements. http://www.jewishpress.com/news/bre...nders-for-settlement-construction/2014/01/11/

he Housing Ministry published tenders for the planning of some 20,000 settlement apartment
Read more: Israel publishes tenders to plan 20,000 settlement units | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-publishes-tenders-to-plan-20000-settlement-units/#ixzz2rjdWyiWT

As you can see stuntman this is the government putting tenders for jewish settlements on occupied Palestinian Territory

As for IDF checkpoints and Jewish only roads busses etc on Occupied Palestinian Territory this is certainly not what the Palestinians want.

As for the discriminatory marriage laws "News that 23-year-old Yair Netanyahu (son of Israeli Prime MInister Benjamin Netanyahu) is dating a statuesque non-Jewish Norwegian university student was not only a juicy item for the gossip pages. It also unleashed an uproar from religious lawmakers opposed to intermarriage","In Israel, there are no civil marriages, so Israeli couples can get married only in religious courts, and only to partners of the same faith" - The telegraph 28 Jan 2014

As for the West Bank barrier (often called the Apartheid wall) The International Court of Justice (the upper most tier of the international legal system) decided in July 2004 that By fourteen votes to one, The construction of the wall being built by Israel, the occupying Power, in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, and its associated régime, are contrary to international law. The Court concludes that the Israeli settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territory (including East Jerusalem) have been established in breach of international law.

 

You probably dont know but this plan of building homes in from November was a spin from Israel government while Netanyahu was with Jerri and Abu-Mazen about the plan of "two countries for two nations". and after Netanyahu came back to Israel he sew that some ministers in the Israeli government decided to build houses in the West Bank and after he noticed it he called those ministers to censure them about they decision on their own of this building plan, and if you dont know Netanyahu didnt approved to build units in West Bank and it didnt happen.

Do you know that the majority in East Jerusalem is Arab? so if Israeli government want to build units in East Jerusalem is for the Arabs there and the Jews.

SO what you say is that the Palestinians dont want thier own country and their own roads and buses? oh ok, but this is not what happen in reality, in reality is that in the Arab cities in the West Bank there is everything that normal country needs.
I have to ask you something:
Does in South Africa there is roads and buses that belong to for example Namibia? OR there is in England roads and buses that belong to Scotland? i dont think so, so why should be in the West Bank, where Israeli rule (and not PA) roads and buses that dont belong to Israel? or South Africa or England?

You need to check your facts right, in Israel couples can marry each other by civil marriage, and there is a lot of couples that do it, you have a lot of celebrities in Israel that preform those kind of marriage.

Do you know that until the West Bank Barrier was built there the vest majority of suicide bombers and was the man path to Arabs to smuggle wepones inside Israel?
Israel didnt build this well cause they want to they did it in the piece of land from the West Bank that Israel rule and built there the well for security manors.

 

Charlatan2. You are right I got sidetracked. In Israel and Palestine we have different classes of people,. We have Jewish and Arab Israeli citizens in Israel, we have Palestinians in the Occupied territories, Palestinian refugees that are denied entry to their place of birth (in Israel and the Occupied Territories) and we have Jewish citizens living on illegal settlements on the Occupied Palestinian Territories. The Palestinian refugees that fled Israel and Palestine from wars over the years have been denied their right of return and their land in Israel has since been confiscated by Israeli laws. The Israeli govt has therefore conspired to confiscate land. The houses that Israel bulldozers are not shacks. In some cases the Israeli Army has even destroyed the Palestinian deeds offices. Speaking of bulldozing, in Israel the judiciary condones collective punishment (outlawed by the third Geneva convention article 33) when the IDF demolishes houses belonging to the families of suspected suicide bombers. I put it to you that Occupied Palestinian Territories are big concentration camps where the Israeli defence force has a sea land and air embargo in force and even dictates to the Egyptians what should be allowed into Gaza and what should not. In the last Gaza war every hospital, commercial chicken farm even the sole flour mill was bombed by Isreal. It was found that there were only a handful of militants hiding in one hospital. The Goldstone report found that a mosque was bombed for no reason (no one had fired a shot out).

The United Nations Fact finding mission on the gaza conflict found ″the operations were in furtherance of an overall policy aimed at punishing the Gaza population for its resilience and for its apparent support for Hamas"
a special report by Israeli filmmaker Nurit Kedar that was shown on Britain's Channel 4 in January 2011. Israel had a deliberate policy of disproportionate force aimed at the civilian population.
On March 24, a report from the UN team responsible for the protection of children in war zones was released, it found "hundreds" of violations of the rights of children and accused Israeli soldiers of using children as human shields, bulldozing a home with a woman and child still inside, and shelling a building they had ordered civilians into a day earlier. One case involved using an 11-year-old boy as a human shield, by forcing him to enter suspected buildings first and also inspect bags. The report also mentioned the boy was used as a shield when Israeli soldiers came under fire.
The UN fact-finding mission investigated four incidents in which Palestinian civilians were coerced, blindfolded, handcuffed and at gunpoint to enter houses ahead of Israeli soldiers during military operations. The mission confirmed the continued use of this practice with published testimonies of Israeli soldiers who had taken part in the military operations. The mission concluded that these practices amounted to using civilians as human shields in breach of international law. Some civilians were also questioned under threat of death or injury to extract information about Palestinian combatants and tunnels, constituting a further violation of international humanitarian law.
The IDF also used banned munitions. On January 12, it was reported that more than 50 phosphorus burns victims were in Nasser Hospital. On January 16 the UNRWA headquarters was hit with Israeli phosphorus munitions.
There is actually too much to mention. If only Israel and Palestine can have a de Klerk and Mandela

 

you have in the West Bank Palestinians that have Israeli citizenship with their green I.D. and in every Muslim holiday they have the right and the IDF allowing them to enter Israel to come visit their families in Haifa, Jaffa etc. Israel gave the Palestinian Israeli citizenship because they understand the needs of the Palestinian to see their families that live in Israel.

The IDF DONT destroy terrorists's houses in the West Bank, the IDF never did those things.

First of all The West Bank dont have a sea land and air embargo, and in Gaza you have it from security manors, Israel never dictate to the Egyptians what to do with Gaza, just couple of months Egypt declare that they will gonna start fighting AGAINST Hamas regime in Gaza as they fought against the Islamic Brotherhood in their own country, cause they said that any country can flourish with terror organizations among them.

Do you know that before the last Gaza operation the IDF detected a missiles launchers inside of a soccer arena?
Do you know that the IDF detected a bonkers underneath those hospitals, schools etc and before the IDF bombed there, they warned the people from the region that the IDF will bomb to go from this region until the IDF will finish bomb the area just not to harm any civilians?

Do you know that all the support that get Hamas from Gaza civilians come from intimidating and public killing those who against Hamas regime?
Do you know that for a lot of years Hamas rule Gaza and Israel doesnt control this area?
Do you know that terrorists in Gaza hide behind civilians?

The IDF never uses civilians as human shield and do as much as they can to not harm civilians in any way,

The IDF questioned people under threat but that what the FBI and american security organizations do the same when they questioned people, and even do worst things, so why you dont talk about that?

 

Israel has never attacked a neighbour that did them no harm.

 

Pro Hammas and Hezbollah here will oppose that fact.

 

There was <NEVER a 67 Border> it was an <ARMISTICE LINE>... Go open a book of history instead, and learn.

 

Only the Israelis would have border police manning a border post while refering to Hamas cross border attacks and then insist on it being technically an armistice line

 

"As someone who lived in apartheid South Africa and who has visited Palestine I say with confidence that Israel is an apartheid state. In fact, I believe that some of the atrocities committed against the South Africans by the erstwhile apartheid regime in South Africa pale in comparison to those committed against the Palestinians."
— Willie Madisha, President of COSATU (Congress of South African trade unions),

 

East Jerusalem is Occupied Palestinian Territory (according to the International Court of Justice) Is that run by Palestinians? Are the Apartheid style jewish only settlements on the occupied West Bank run by Palestinians? Are the roads and check points between the little bits of PA controlled areas run by Palestinians? Do Israeli businesses like Soda Stream on the occupied West Bank pay tax to the Palestinians?

 

Also acourding to the international law the West Bank belong to the Jewish sate.
In East Jerusalem you have Arabs with an Israeli citizenship who want to stay under Israeli rule, and the East jerusalem is part of Israel.
Do you know that the West Bank devided to areas, acourdint to Oslo agreement (that you have the world acceptnece about it), the West Bank divided to area- area A and B, where you can find the Arab cities in those areas, are under Palestinian rule, , and Area C, where you can find nost of the Jewish settelments, the Israeli Civil Administration rule there, and that is all acourding to an agreeemtn that you have WORLD ACCEPTNECE about it.

Do you know that Soda Stream employ Palestinians?
Do you know that AL of the businesses that are in the West Bank employ Palestinians from the West Bank?
And Israeli businesses dont force them to work in those businesses, the Arabs WANT to work there and need to work there, acourding to the Arabs, the PA that rule the Arab cities dont create to the Arabs enough working spaces.

Do you know that from all of the sanctions that world businesses do against Israel and against sruff that come from the West Bank they actually hurt the Palestinians and its not help them?

 

Firstly what international law has the International Court of Justice not heard about and was not raised by Israel in its submissions to the court. The International Court of Justice has by 14 votes to 1 ruled that the whole of the West Bank and East Jerusalem are occupied Palestinian territory. So please enlighten us.
If we work according to the International Court of Justice and international law you will fail to prove that the Jewish settlements are anything but illegal.
We all know that Soda Stream operates illegally on occupied Palestinian territory employing desperate Palestinians, deducting tax from them and paying it to the occupying power to further more settlement expansion. Do you know that these employees off camera say that they are not treated the same as the Israelis that work there? Sanctions worked for South Africa is it not time we had more sanctions against Israel until they withdraw from the West Bank and East Jerusalem and only when Israel stops its blockade of Gaza and respects the Borders of Gaza (military jets fly at high speed at low levels over Gaza almost every night to terrorize the Palestinians) (The IDF fires on fishing boats in Gaza waters)

 

which international law is that? The Mickey Mouse law or the Daffy Duck law?

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The Arabs in East Jerusalem do not have Israeli citizenship.

They are Permanent Residents.

you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

 

Did you hear about article 80 in the UN Charter?

 

what does article 80 of the UN Charter say?

 

Did you hear about article 80?

To the Arabs in East Jerusalem have Israeli citizenship, and the demand for it increase every year.
You have even Arabs in the West Bank with an Israeli citizenship.

 

In Paragraph 80 write there that until there will be an agreement that the Trusteeship System will be applied over territories as (and I qoute):

And in article 77 thats what was written there:

And here an explanition about it (id you didnt get it):
Now as you can see the Trusteeship System wil be applied over territories that under Mandate (Palestine was under the British Mandate after the world wer 2), so it means that because Great Britain had a Mandate over Palestine and had also the Balfour, decleration that wrote there that Great Britain will help the Jewish people astablish their Jewish state in Palestine, so what thats all mean that the UN had all of the reason to applied the Trusteeship System (which this system said that all of the 3 categories of territories after the world wer 2 the UN will help the people there to astablished their country), so the UN by paragraphs 80, 77, and the Balfour decleration gave the right to Great Britain to applied their's Trusteeship System that UN offered.
SO actually what its all mean that the UN gave the right of the establisment of a Jewish state in Palestine BECAUSE of the Balfour decleration that was those days the evidence to the UN that Great Britain will astablish a state in Palestine.

 

what does article 80 say?

 

I already explain it to you (look up)

 

the Article also says that the rights of the Mandate expire at the conclusion of the agreemant.

The Mandate for Palestine expired almost 70 years ago, and the Jewish homeland in Palestine has been established.

furthermore, the Mandate for Palestine is very clear that Jewish settlement in Palestine in order to create a Jewish homeland is conditional upon the full and total respect and protection of non-Jewish rights and liberties in Palestine.......and Israel violates this condition on a daily basis.

 

Article 80 dont say it.
Article 80 say that Palestine belong to the Jews (yes even the West Bank), and this article even say that the UN will recognized all the Mandate that te SDN recognized, which means they recognized the British mandate over Israel and Balfour decleration.
The San Remo Resolution, that the UN (or SDN, as you like) recognized it and edopted it, turned the Balfour decleration from a Political Statement to a Document binding international law, which means that actually you have 2 international laws about the Land of Israel belong to the Jews- article 80 in the UN Charter and Balfour decleration.