Faith based bill would OK doctors denying care to gays and single mothers

You're not in a position to make such authoritative pronouncements. The responsibilities of an individual who provides a service regulated by the state are defined by the individual and the state; and if the proposed bill becomes law, physicians will be relieved of any responsibility to provide that service in violation of their religious convictions whether you like it or not.

 

What would be the litmus test to determine sincerely held religious beliefs?

 

There aren't many doctors who would refuse to treat someone for being gay. That is just more liberal hysteria. I don't believe I would want to go to a doctor that refused to treat someone.

 

I think we were discussing a law allowing freedom of religion. So you are a bit off topic. But I might remind you....that the Jim Crow laws were laws that businesses HAD to obey. Government was FORCING businesses to separate whites a blacks...an expensive regulation and it hurt their customer base.

You should have more faith in our citizens. Left to our own devises, America's citizens do fine. Now we have to have laws....to protect them from the state--when they make their own individual choices of conscious.

 

I'm not inventing anything. These are things you put on forms when you go to the doctor. OK, let me ask you this- has your doctor ever asked you if you were sexually active? If not, you got a pretty bad doctor.

 

Homosexuality is defined by attraction. You don't have to ever have had sex to be homosexual. Its the same with heterosexuality.

 

Exactly. This is difficult for many people to understand, apparently.

 

It won't pass the muster, since there's no religious decree which says "thou shalt not provide medical care" to anyone. It'd fare about as well in the courts as a Black Hebrew Israelite doctor refusing to provide medical services for white people, and claiming a "religious reason" for doing so.

 

Where does the Bible say "Thou shalt not provide goods and services to homosexuals"?

 

There doesn't need to be, obviously, since religious convictions don't need to have been previously enunciated.

No one who is even minimally aware of the rampant corruption in the federal Judiciary has any reason to give a damn about that.

 

The doctors I have been to have never had any reason to ask. Luckily I have never had any health issues that required that question.

I see you are only trying to imply that if a doctor found out someone was gay they would refuse to treat them. You can continue to ignore the point I have made that I doubt any doctor would refuse to great someone because of that. If they did refuse to treat a gay person then you probably would not want them to treat you either. They are probably still treating patients with leeches.

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Really? Do you have proof to back up your claim? If not then don't waste my time with this nonsense.

 

They wouldn't. Unless they ask. Is that something that should be asked?
So why the legislation?

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homosexuality?s=t
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8#q=homosexuality+definition&safe=off
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homosexuality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/homosexual
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/homosexual

Are these sources sufficient or do I need to embarrass you more?

 

Of course people will mind that you lie to your kids and teach them lies.
But that is your right to do as a parent. No one will force you to stop teaching them lies in your home.
And you shouldn't stop it when society teaches them you are lying to them.

 

Even CONSERVAPEDIA supports me:

Let's see you have some intellectual honesty "debating champion" and admit you are wrong.

 

TBH, it is not a question often asked of 8 yr olds.

 

LOL! You only think it supports you but I don't see anything in your quote about "virgins" .....try again.

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So you are saying they don't ask you then....OK.

 

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE LINKS defines Homosexuality in terms of desire/attraction. You need to admit you are wrong if you want to keep even a shred of intellectual honesty.

 

so the right was up in arms about taxi drivers denying people rides, but they are ok with doctors refusing to treat the injured because of their beliefs, what happened to the Hippocratic oath...

 

Well, you know, the right tends to disregard laws or oath when it suits their agenda... Totaly without honor... Oh well, they're a dying breed anyway.

 

The christian right are like the old tyranosaurus rex... Quite a formidable creature in it's time, but totaly unable to adapt to the changing condition of it's environment and doomed to die off. For a second I feel sad... Only for a second.

The world is changing. Your own population is changing. In a few year the wasp in the usa will be a minority. Even your own children are moving on leaving those silly prejudices behind. You better get with the program because there is a big probability that a "liberul" brown skin and possibly quite gay, will be the one taking care of you and changing your diapers when you're near the end.

 

This is SICK! Luckily, I don't think it has a chance to pass!

How can people call themselves Christians, and refuse to treat ANYONE in need is beyond me! In this case, I believe that calling on one's "religious beliefs" to refuse to give medical care to ANYONE in need is an INSULT to GOD and all CHRISTIANS!

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Projecting again? That is EXACTLY what YOU do!

 

I think you should take a moment to ponder the state of affairs that have driven some folks to see that as a good move.

Only a fool with blinders on fails to recognize things must really be F'ed up in America for this to be proposed.

In normal times, for example, you would never wake up all your loved ones from a sound sleep in the middle of the night and make them go outside into the cold and then, clad only in your PJ's, call the fire department.

You would consider that the ultimate lunacy!

Unless the house was on fire.

In that case it would be the most obvious and most responsible thing to do!

Now you think about what your fellow travelers have done and are doing to America while you either do nothing to stop it, or you actually help exasperate these conditions.

Just think about it.

No one on our side ever had to do that before.

Why now?

Hmmm???

 

So you think you have a right to be the moral police now? Please explain how that fits in with the Constitution and also the Republican mantra of smaller government. My god it scares me for Republicans to ever get control of anything again. This is exactly why they are losing elections. You and your ilk are one step away from branding people on their forehead whats next concentration camps. So you can have your moral world. This is sick

 

---This is short sighted and simplistic. Not everyone lives in a sprawling metropolis where strangers are a common occurrence. There are plenty of small communities where people know other people's business.