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death camps did not exist in the Soviet Union, only labour camps, get your facts right.

 

Very few people are true "moral absolutists."

I gave an example earlier of how killing is acceptable in some cases. Most people find killing acceptable when done in self-defense. So, for those people, the morality of killing is relative to the situation.

There are very few people that won't even kill in self-defense or defense of another.

Another example is lying. We often lie to be courteous. Most people won't tell a woman she looks fat in a dress even if she actually does, in order to be polite.

So, regardless of religion, most people are, in practice, morally dependent on the situation.

Some interpretations of religion are more strict than others, and some law systems reflect this. However, usually, the more rigid a system is, the less adaptable it is to reality.

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"Work for your freedom."

 

seems closer to the truth.

so what? USSR did have to protect itself from spies and saboteurs, right?

 

If Russia doesn't care what they do behind closed doors, what is the law all about?
But you'll never rid the world of them or their behaviour, heteros keep producing them.

 

meh, one person's labour camp is another persons death camp. Both achieve end goal.

 

LC with death rate - 25%? you must be joking ...

http://www.gendercide.org/case_stalin.html
http://www.gendercide.org/case_imprisonment.html

 

I'll concede that, but when you look at the disastrous consequences of chattel slavery we are dealing with an observable fact.

Of course, that is subjective, too, but I'm inclined to agree with you.

As I pointed out, natural law and rights can lead us to observable fact.

Nevertheless, what intrigues me is your mention of nihilism. I'd be interested to hear you clarify/expand on that thought.

 

there was no camps with such a death rate in the USSR, your statistics was forged.

 

7 million spies and saboteurs?

 

None whatsoever.

Furthermore, Faulkner pointed out that the harmful consequences were more than physical (the destruction of the South during the Civil War) - there were also harmful moral and psychological consequences that remain with us to this day.

I've heard some Chinese people say the same thing about Communism in their country and how it has negatively impacted them on a moral and psychological level. It's quite fascinating and consistent with what happened to many Southerners in the U.S.

 

stop playing fool. ordinary criminals like murderers and rapists and thieves were the biggest part of those 7 millions.

 

And women, childrens and old people... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazino_affair

 

i just wonder , do you really believe that 100% Belorusian and 65% Ukrainian writers, Molotov and Poskrebyshev Wifes, 100 000s if not millions hungry peasants (who lived until late 60s with out passports) were spies and saboteurs. or you just mamber of of powerful www.USSR11111 strong team. if you really believe in what you write here i am questioning your mental health


The exhibits of historical and documentary exhibition "Serve to Eternity"
Letter from the President of the KGB of the USSR A. Shelepin to N.S. Khrushchev
with the proposal to destroy all records in the case of persons,
those were shot in 1940 in the Katyn forest. March 1965 (page 1 of 2)

Exhibition "Serve to Eternity" (May 28-July 13, 200
http://www.rusarchives.ru/evants/exhibitions/eternity-f.shtml
http://www.g-to-g.com/?version=eng&module=7&page=1

 

Sharik, I read a Russian Orthodox book about the experiences of Father Arseny in the Gulag by his spiritual children. He was an Orthodox Elder and they considered it amazing that he was able to survive for three decades. He attributed it to the fact that he had taken care of a powerful criminal when he was sick, and so he became the Elders protector. Father Arseny also intervened when the criminals tried to kill others, and at one time he was sent to his own death by the guards because of it. He did survive. Oh a whole, it was not a nice place, and the death rate was very high.

 

its a fiction novel as you might guess, as well as what Solzshenitsyn wrote.

 

I see you've nothing to say about what i linked in my previous post... I understand that it is hard to dismiss it when it comes straight from your beloved russian official archives.

 

I always found this interesting, because it reflects the cultural differences between 'East & West'. There is no Commandment saying 'Thou Shalt Not Lie'. The Commandment says not to bear false witness. In other words do not say or accuse someone of something which is not true.

 

And what of these issues?




My working theory is that the Russians deliberately made living conditions difficult for the visiting athletes so that they'll compete affected by illness and/or insomnia, allowing the Russians easy wins.

And where in the Koran does it say women must wear burkas?

The KGB manned the copy machines in the Soviet Union; there was no way for it to advance in any meaningful way when it came to technological innovations such as the internet. And if the USSR really was the most advanced country ever, where is it now?

 

So you are accusing the Russian Orthodox Church for lying? Are you going to say then that the priests, monks and bishops were not sent to the Gulag simply for being priests, monks and bishops, and that five thousand churches and monasteries were not destroyed? If that is so, then you are also saying that the pictures of the original Church of Our Saviour, which was demolished by the Soviets are fakes? Come on now, you know better than that?

 

How can they have an internet if they didn't have Al Gore?

 

read the entire thread before posting, i have already replied to that link.

 

Perhaps in incompetence, corruption, police brutality and abuse, human rights violations, lies and propaganda, totalitarism, brainwashing, food and goods shortages, travel restrictions and the amount of alcohol consumption per capital...Hmm, Russia is not far behind in all these categories though.

И не хуй тут людям лапшу на уши вешать, Шариков, дурных нету твоим сказкам верить :

 

it has been destroyed exactly because of being the most advanced, by the West that belongs to Old Testament view of things.

 

Nope, you didn't

 

Nazi Germany had labor camps also, or at least that's what they called them.