Sochi 2014: Israeli Gay rights protests target Russia's games

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  1. sharik

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    not lying, it was merely a fiction novel.

    as i previuosly said, you are confusing the timeline, and accusing one State for the things done by the other one... the post-civil war USSR and USSR circa 1940s are completely different countries, because in the 1920-30s it had been run by the Jews who of course persecuted Russians and their Church, but as Stalin gathered all the power then this time those Jews were persecuted in their turn for persecuting Russians.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It must be hard for the Russians to come to terms with their Soviet history, especially when they died and sacrificed so much during WWII.
     
  3. sharik

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    go search the thread well.
     
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    I've read it front to back. You never replied to my post.
     
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    Stuart Wolfe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your post literally makes no sense.
     
  7. KGB agent

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    Sharik, don't waste your time arguing with brainless zombies.
    There is a lot of publically avaliable statistics for those who want to know how things really are. Propaganda victims are resistent to arguments, they feel themselves comfortable in shining Free World vs Empire of Ebil fantasy.


    1.6 million out of 14 per 20 years is not a "death camp"
    Especially taking into account that most of these deaths occured during Great Patriotic War period.


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    Anyway, I'd advise fellow yanks to watch for their own prison system NOW instead of digging in 70-y.o. history.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/24/us-usa-prisons-sexabuse-idUSBREA0N1M420140124
     
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    The common folks have come to terms about their past. It's those who are too young and have missed all the misery that the soviet brought upon themselves that are the problem. Those old enough know that media like RT are only a new incarnation of Pravda and they know better than belive what the despotic regime of today is saying.

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    That wasn't my post but thanks. You do know that it comes from your own archives and history... How old are you?
     
  9. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The holodymir occurred under Stalin when Khruschev was in charge of the Ukraine, and they were Christians? That he turned on the Jews later on doesn't mean he wasn't attacking Christians when it was feasible. When Khruschev became premier, he started another persecution against Christians in the sixties. The point is that there were grave persecutions on and off, whether they were Jews, Christians, intellectuals, Muslims, etc.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do not assume that a government that does not bow down to the values of the West, and is willing to sacrifice their own people in order to please the U.S. and E.U. is despotic, no more than you should believe that the U.S. is truly democratic, and that our government is not run by self serving lobbyists, to the detriment and desires of the majority of the people.

    Putin is the one who pulled Russia out of the mess made by Yeltsin and the American economists who ran in to help and ended up robbing the whole country. He has no intention of committing national suicide by believing anything that the U.S. or E.U. tells him, and with good cause.
     
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    43.

    it did not occur. Holodomor is a myth.
    mass famines had happened in Russia long before Stalin came, since the 19th century actually.
     
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    Oh brother... Lay down the pipe...
     
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    http://books.google.se/books?id=ChR...1&sig=C9k9Hr7Vn222WCHf_1iSJOHVsgo&redir_esc=y
     
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    Litwin just likes his face being put into dirt again and again and again.....


    Hey, litwin, how is searching for ebil Putin's regime crimes is going?
     
  16. litwin

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    whats about your archives they are full of documents , i dont know where you live but you can easy reach them . or visit the death camps

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  17. litwin

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    your eyes have never been clean enough to see the truth . ultra -nationalism , harassment in school or at home , i dont know but i feel sorry for you .

    http://www.businessweek.com/article...nd-bags-at-least-21-russian-olympic-contracts

    etc.
     
  18. sharik

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    the archive's okay to talk about, let's talk of archives, you go begin.

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    where? Poland?
    there was no death camps in the USSR.
     
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    Bearing false witness has come to be synonymous with lying in general.

    Technically, you're correct, but the Commandments often have a different interpretation colloquially.

    It's like the difference between the modern definition of adultery (cheating on a spouse) and the old definition (having sex outside of marriage).
     
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    Chattel slavery, yes, but it is not possible to use natural rights as a basis for determining whether every concivable action is 'good' or not. But more on this below...

    Maybe. The difference though is that while natural rights tells me that chattel slavery is 'bad' because of so and so, philosophy and religion can allow me to understand why chattel slavery is 'wrong' without it being necessary for me to learn about the effects of it in the real world.

    Those who claim to base their actions on natural rights are not interested in morals or ethics (at least not primarily interested in them). Freedom and economic productivity of the individual are their main concern, as opposed to the moral welfare of a society.

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    One can certainly be a moral absolutist and come to different conclusion concerning the application of specific actions, like those of killing and lying. Some people use God-who is perfect- others use philosophy to conceive of certian moral truths which too are perfect (perhaps these truths point to God), as a template for their daily actions.
     
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    Whether it does or not doesn't matter here. It's the question of whether these people are somehow primitive and fearful for choosing to live their lives according to what God intends that is up for debate.
     
  22. Stuart Wolfe

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    It does when you bring up

    Your own words. So tell us: where is wearing the Burka listed as God's law? All I'm asking you to do is back up your own claim.
     
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    I never said wearing the burqa is listed as God's law.

    Just because some Muslims may give more of their earnings to the needy than is required does not entail that what they are giving is listed as God's law. They simply want to adhere to God's law of giving to the needy.
     
  24. Stuart Wolfe

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    Good grief. Such a simple request, and yet you're equivocating like a politician. Your EXACT words:

    So here goes:

    1) What is "it"?

    2) Where is it required in the Koran that they must wear "it"?
     
  25. happy fun dude

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    I'll betcha God doesn't give much of a (*)(*)(*)(*) about what you wear on your head..

    When you're lining up to get into heaven and there's some bouncer stood with his arms folded in front of the gate, and he says, "where's your hat?"

    Then he points to Jesus' sandels and declares, "not in those shoes you're not!"

    God is all about fashion you see.
     

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