Hatred of the military is just plain stupid.

I think you're forgetting that the United States emerged as a super power from the bloodiest 100 years in human history...the 20th century.

Between, Hitler and the Reich, Stalin and the Red plague, Mao and the Chinese Ant hill, Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, for example....well over 130 million died at the hands of some political regime gone mad.

The World can be, and very often is...an evil place, where human life is given no value...suffering is given no empathy. Lots of bad guys, if I may say so.

I believe America, however imperfect it may be...is far above the truly evil regimes that have existed and flourished on our planet, not all that long ago and exist at this very moment.

We're the good guys, love us or hate us.

I'll leave you with a quote by Friedrich Nietzsche~
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”

Perhaps American foreign policy should take that into consideration once in awhile.

 

Your motive is way oversimplified. There were many reasons for the invasions, but the sheeple were just left with the one, repeated over and over on the media, no WMD's. I, on the other hand, still remember the other reasons. One, that Saddam was responsible for the deaths of up to 1M people, mostly his own. Here, I will show you one of those reasons, from a source definitely not friendly to Bush or the Iraq War, from http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/26/w...e-has-hussein-killed.html?src=pm&pagewanted=1 :

In the end, if an American-led invasion ousts Mr. Hussein, and especially if an attack is launched without convincing proof that Iraq is still harboring forbidden arms, history may judge that the stronger case was the one that needed no inspectors to confirm: that Saddam Hussein, in his 23 years in power, plunged this country into a bloodbath of medieval proportions, and exported some of that terror to his neighbors.

Well history didn't judge that way, because US politicians and media ensured it would not, by NO WMD'S, NO WMD"S. I'm sick of hearing it; we all know that wasn't the only reason for invading.

Here is one of the many places that say Saddam killed about 1M people during his 24 year reign: http://wais.stanford.edu/Iraq/iraq_deathsundersaddamhussein42503.html

500,000 of those were Iraqis killed in the Iran-Iraq war. If you include this war, 1,000,000 people/286 month reign = 3497 people killed per month, on average, throughout 24 years. That is the same number of civilians killed per month in the first 2 months of the war (never again to rise to that level). If you don't want to include the Iran-Iraq war, then that still leaves 1750 civilians killed, per month, on average for 24 years under Saddam. That's about the number that are dying now, maybe a little less. It seems to me, that the deaths in Iraq continue, with or without the US...

 

Most of Jonah's post compete for the least intelligent posts on the forum, next to this one (not Jonah's):

You couldn't hit the brought side of a barn. The car wouldn't exist if it wasn't for its producer and the people who want to buy them. Whether producer or buyer you brought the car into existence directly or indirectly, or had it transferred to you as a gift by someone who did. That's not the case with land. (also interesting how you all of a sudden dishonestly decided to use the word "favor" to throw in a diversion in your easily debunked "argument".) ​

This was an answer to another poster's comment which was perfectly coherent and thoughtful, which responded to another ridiculous post, "By that logic, loaning your car to a neighbor isn't a favor. The car did the favor, you may as well have been comatose," which was a response to, " It's the owners who might as well be comatose or non-existent, whether they are Gunther or Messrs Dupuch & Turnquest & Co. See? You can't even express what you are trying to say using correct English grammar, because it is so absurd and dishonest."

 

hence the deterrent. Thanks btw.

 

Jesus Christ. All the blood on Amerika's hands and all you give her is a heartfellt poem ? We are worst than Nazi Germany. That's right Mr Spielberg I said it, now roll out another h olycost film while AIPAC lobbies congress to rain hell on another nation's indigenous civilian population.

The USA is a bully plain and simple.

 

Probably 98% of the people that hate the military have never served!!!!

 

Probably 98% of the people that hate the mafia never was part of it!!!!



Seriously. You don't need to be part of something in order to judge it by it's actions. And the US army, is not busy protecting their or any other country 98% of the time when its raging war. It's fighting for their neo-colonial position.

 

How about all the fools in this country that hate the military go to Canada, like the cowards did during NAM.

 

What a terrible post, and filled with so many lies falicies that it just makes me want to vomit.


Firstly, none of us hate the military. We might hate what the military has been commanded to DO, but that is not directed to the soldiers.

We might have a different VISION for the military. For example, I want almost ALL overseas bases closed. Almost every single one of them. The only exceptions I would put in place are those that we are required to maintain in order to fulfill our various treaties.

I want a much smaller STANDING military force. I want a much LARGER reserve force.

I want pork projects that Senators attach to bills as riders to fund bad military projects, simply because it brings money and jobs to their state.


I love the military people. I also love having the baddest meanest military on the planet. No sweat. But I want the USE of the military curtailed DRAMTICALLY.

We can easily protect and defend our country and borders in a far more efficient and cheaper way than we do now.



I imagine most liberals feel the same way.

 

And you suppose we can fulfill our treaties with our big bad words alone? Those overseas forces are where they are precisely because of our treaties and agreements.

 

Not all liberals hate the military.

If they do, I guess *I* am not a true liberal.

 

Very very few of them. Most are just there because we want a hegemony / empire.


I would prefer to go by the words of Roosevelt. Talk softly and carry a big stick.


And I would like to see America play by the golden rule, instead of doing everything in its power to dominate every country it comes into contact with.

 

When TR was President we had no military treaties to fulfill. You need to wake up to the realities of modern war. Like everything else, it happens much faster now then it did 100 years ago. If you're not willing to maintain a standing, professional force sufficient to back up those treaties, you should be honest enough to just abrogate them. Doing anything else is just bluffing and sooner or later, someone is going to call.

 

You want withdrawal, you can expect a lot heavier armed South Korea, Japan, Israel, Germany, Saudi Arabia, and many others. These countries all use overseas US forces as a deterrent to any would be attacker. Without those US forces as a deterrent, you can expect they will seek another deterrent to those who would attack their nation. They will seek a military deterrent of their own. Good luck in your peaceful world order without the US acting as a deterrent to would be attackers...

You seem to either want a world at war, or you don't understand what would occur without the US acting as a deterrent. If we immediately withdrew US forces, all of them, tomorrow, then within 24 hours there would be war all over the world.

 

It's a good idea to make them work like you said. I could support more the army if the soldier have a vocation job. But if you want to understand the hatred of the army in my case it's because I found pretty useless to have all this weaponry and these soldier. Note that if the army is a must, than I don't vote to make them work. Play xbox in this case.

 

Of course other countries would beef up their military. They would have to without ius being the worlds policeman in order to protect themself. But I see your doom and gloom scenario to be very unlikely.