Do you despise public school teachers?

As a patriotic conservative, I despise ALL public employees as a matter of principle. How about you?

 

It not the teachers that I dislike so much as all the obscenely paid back water b'crat in education. We need to realize that the only people that are worth any where near the money that they are being paid is the teach in front of a class. All the rest are just a black hole for taxpayer money. The further they are from the class room the less they are needed, and would never be missed if they were fired. That for sure means the tens of thousands in the Fed Dept of Education are totally worthless.

 

You must hate living in a first world country then too. There are many countries in Africa that would fit your model of society, as a matter of principle.

Public employees are part of the social contract you agree to while being a resident of this nation. Don't like it? Then G.T.F.O.

 

I think you need to reevaluate your principles. There is nothing wrong with the majority of public school teachers or employees. I am a patriotic conservative and I think little like you do. The problem with public schools is a union that makes it almost impossible to fire bad teachers. Why should a teacher have tenure, which is close to a life time job, when only Federal judges has it? I have more problems with Liberals that are against private schools. Our schools are failing our kids and they are preventing fixing the problems.

 

I have absolutely no reason to despise public school teachers as a whole. I don't like the ones who half-ass their jobs, but I'm not going to pretend for convenience's sake that ALL public school teachers do that. There will be a percentage of the total amount of teachers who do, just like there will be in pretty much every profession.

That happens because teachers are people and people aren't robots. Some will be super great, some will be super bad, most will be in between that.

 

Troll thread

 

The US ranks 29th in Math, 22nd in science, and 19th in reading. The US spends 7.3 of it's GDP on education, that's more than any other developed country in the world.


Our public school system is not only failing it's students, but the tax payers as well.

Why are you and the OP apologist for the status que?

 

I despise the supposition that the motives of public employees are superior to the motives of employees of for-profit enterprises.

 

"Do you despise public school teachers?"

Taxcutter says:
Nope. Just their unions.

 

Trolling for effect again, eh?

 

I get that you're a parody act - but I was expecting you to add "all public employees (except the military)"

 

abolish state schools, yeah that will really benefit the nation long term - why not move to the developing world and see how that pans out...............

 

so you'd be happy with teachers working for min wage then? like that will really help with standards, not

or perhaps you want the teachers to grovel and pander to every whim and 'need' of the students and parents, just like the good old days of feudalism

 

"Non-union" does not equal "minimum wage." Ask the Americans working in Toyota and Honda and VW plants. Ask the teachers in private schools.

Why do you post dishonest strawmen?

 

I don't despise ALL public school teachers, but I do despise the incompetent ones, and the unions, and the administrators, and the Department of Education.

 

I saw a lot of bad teachers while my son was in school. I also saw a few good ones. Overall, I would say I have a rather low opinion of teachers in general.

However, what I truly despise about our education system is the curriculum. We could make vast improvements in our teachers and even double the money we spend on education but if we don't change our curriculum these changes will not improve our schools much. Are our textbooks correct? Do our textbooks contain propaganda? Do our textbooks try to teach certain social or political beliefs with the sentences they use to supposedly demonstrate proper English or even the sentences they use in math word problems? What non-textbooks are part of the required reading for a class? What is the overall theme, if any, that you think your children get from their education? Are children being exposed to numerous ideas in an honest and open-minded way? Are children simply trained to fill a job? Is "good citizen" training more important than a well rounded mind? In short, what's really going on in the schools in your area? What is your school's curriculum?

 

No, I don't despise them.

 

Not most of them. Many are pretentious about their jobs, pretending to be a victim when they make a very decent wage because apparently they could all be millionaires had they not been so charitable to give their talents away at $40K a year, but otherwise, not so much.

Now school administrators, I despise. Six figure salaries for being head of the department in a public school or being a principal or vice principal of a school with a few hundred students is ridiculous.

 

You said it all, right there.

Amen.

 

how about just abolish all govt schools and let the kids learn in the streets, that would be the way to go.

and I bet those chimps who hate public servants love the military - total hypocrites as usual

 

As a patriot who wants the smartest country in the world, I encourage education. For everyone. And doing it publicly allows the most to gain an education instead of those who can afford it.

 

The elitists prefer to have a large servant class, so I guess fully privatising education is the 'correct' way to go.

 

How hard does a union make it to fire a bad teacher? From what I have read on the subject they have a process to fire a teacher, and they fire them. These grievance procedures have been negotiated and agreed to in contracts, so I see no foul ball there, seems like a fair system.

Why shouldn't a teacher have tenure? Tenure is simply a right to due process; it means that a college or university cannot fire a tenured professor without presenting evidence that the professor is incompetent or behaves unprofessionally or that an academic department needs to be closed or the school is in serious financial difficulty.
http://www.nea.org/home/33067.htm

I don't see how either the grievance procedure or tenure or failing children are the problem. Try a living wage & putting a parent in a home to assist their child's schooling. When a teacher turns out a class of students where some get As, Bs, Cs, Ds, and Fs, you should know the teacher has done his job in the classroom, and failure to learn the lessons and pass courses resides somewhere else.

 

Correct.

Extremists almost never make good sense.

 

I agree. If we want better education, outlaw teachers unions.