Obama's executive actions

Obama vowed in the state of the union address that he will no longer work with congress and will enact his own executiveorders which does not need congressional approval.

Although executive are legal and constituional won't this nd up hurting him? I feel like he has a better chance of getting his presidency and party back up on its feet by negotiating with all factions and parties in congress to pass bipartisan bills which willgie everyone a slice of the pie. I think the main reason why the House of Reps refuses to work with him is because he refuses to sit down and talk and only tries to push forward his and the Democatic party's agenda rather than the agenda of the American people. If he doesn't get his act together then he won't go down very well in history.

What do you think?

 

I agree the best way to solve our countries problems is for liberals and conservatives to compromise. However, considering that any (R) who votes with Obama on anything is alienated by their party for it, it's not realistic to think they would do so. If Obama wants to do anything, he virtually has no choice but to do it without republican support. No?

 

1. Did it hurt Bush's? Ya know the guy who broke records with his executive orders?
2. It IS legal and constitutional.
3. Since he won the election it would seem HIS agenda IS the agenda of the majority of Americans.
4. He has, from day one, offered repeatedly to try the bi-partisan stuff...the Republicans refused.

 

His reputation is already damaged.

 

How in the world did I miss this gem of a thread?

Obama's reputation damaged?
Really?
To which reputation exactly are you referring?

Are you referring to his reputation for ineptitude, cronyism, corruption, arrogance, non-stop vacationing, zero leadership abilities, being a no-talent rock star, and using the IRS to attack, stall, and defund his political enemies?

Is that the one?

 

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php

Obama has issued fewer executive orders in his first term than any president since any of us have been alive, so he's got some catching up to do!

 

The problem with Obama's EOs is that they trample on the Constitution more than all the other Presidents combined! It's not the quantity but the quality of the EOS that counts!

The R Congress has tried and tried to work with Obama, but it's always his way or nothing.

 

That's not true.

What the President actually said was, “I’m eager to work with all of you. But America does not stand still — and neither will I. So wherever and whenever I can take steps without legislation to expand opportunity for more American families, that’s what I’m going to do.”

Americans rate the President's job performance over 20 points above that of Congressional Republicans, so it's reasonable to expect that his cordial entreaty to them should be welcome in the opinion of most Americans. His mediocre regard easily trumps the repugnance they have earned for themselves.

If an obstructionist Congress wishes to participate in governance, they shouldn't require such an invitation, but when Mitch McConnell actually admitted that Republicans' "single most important goal is the defeat of President Obama in 2012," the electorate informed him in no uncertain terms what they thought of his foolish political priorities.

It is time Repubs stopped the internal hissyfits between TPs and normals. The sniveling, carping, and bellywhinging has made them repellant to the nation.

They were not elected to office and are being well-paid to contirve shutting down public services. That's what enemies of the United Sates are for.


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The TP's Angry White Guys are so alienated from the United States because a "liberal" electorate has twice chosen their bête noire to lead the nation, because a "liberal" congress hasn't impeached him, and because a "liberal" supreme court has not shackled him, they reject such sound comparative data with nary a qualm.

They're quite nuts.

If his sense of humour were sufficiently malicious, he would leave office, not absconding to match wits with tumbleweed like his predecessor, but vowing to return to the distant nation of his nativity to practice socialist Islam in peace.

The geezers would be apoplectic!

 

Very good post

I once heard are very smart person respond to a conservative that was lying
With this

When a politician lies that's politics
When a supporter lies that's stupidity

 

Indeed! There is also an ilk of malcontents that parrot media entertainers to whom they kowtow in lieu of real politicians.

 

The same could be said for democrats. In the end it does not matter. Nobody will care a plugged nickel about his EO's a week after he is out of office

 

I would say that Also is stupidity

 

Can you supply us with an example?

Either of an especially constitutionally egregious executive order or the Republicans trying to work with Obama or even one of each?

 

As already mentioned, it's the quality (lack of in this case) and not the quantity of EO's. What disturbs me is that he flat out flaunts running this country his way or no way and gets a standing applause for it.

Since he can just postpone any part of the ACA whenever he feels for whatever reason he thinks what's to stop him from postponing the 2016 presidential elections for a year or two? It's a fair question that I would like to hear a liberals take on.

 

That's a rather ignorant pair of questions with all due respect!

Most scholars will verify the lack of constitutionality of his EOs referring to the delaying of Obamacare! I know there is a rationalization for that, but the Constitution provided for the Congress to change law, not the President.

The Congress in the last few years has passed several good bills, but Obama's lackey Reid would not allow them to be introduced. Obama could have told Reid to allow discussion, and it would have happened.

Again I say that anyone who voted for Obama should apologize to the rest of us!

 

Mod Edit ~ Rule 2/Insulting

Yes, you keep spewing such hatred, and most Americans evidence kindness in discretely ignoring your interminable tantrum and anti-American raving.

If you wish to deal with reality, it remains readily available to you and is amenable to civil discourse.


America does not owe you an apology.


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I think democracy can survive Obama awarding Medals of Honor to Jewish and Hispanic WWII vets who may have been passed over without him going through the normal selection process.

 

So just like I expected, you can't name a single example of the things that actually convinced you that Obama is a bad president.
So while you are unaware of any particularly egregious executive orders or any serious attempts by the Republicans to work with Obama, someone told you that this was the case, and you wanted to believe this... so you do....

Actually, you should get down on your knees and thank the people who voted for Obama, because you live in a country that is more prosperous and safer than if it were governed by McCain or Romney.....

 

Things do come full circle and I hope I live to see it.

 

I'm new here but, agree 100% with you. Obama is the great separator. He's singlehandedly created this division we have in government. He didn't invite republicans in on the initial Obamacare meetings and now we're all paying the price.

 

The record shows that the repubs in Congress have refused to work with him. They even vote against measures they used to advocate, simply because Obama recommends them. He tried sitting down and talking with them and all he got was either demands that he surrender completely or refusal to talk at all. As for him supposedly pushing his as opposed to the "American people's) agenda, BULL The bloody repubs think (?) only THEIR agenda is valid. The repub version of a slice of the pie is they get the pie and someone else has to wash the pie plate.

I seem to remember, by the way, reading that President Obama has used executive orders fewer times than any other recent president. I saved the article & will look it up if you want. Another thing he HASN'T done was pull little Georgie's trick and sign a law and issue a singing statement saying he has no intention of enforcing it.

 

Wow.
You really hate Republicans, eh?

 

And I understand your being so alienated from a nation that has twice elected your bête noire and causes you to lash out incoherently. If it were not for the best-educated states being allowed to cast their electoral votes, you'd be happy as a pig in what makes pigs happy.

Okay, just one little chaste, embrace, but don't get any ideas! I shall preserve my virtue!

You can put away that ukulele and doff that boater. We're not about to go a-courtin' and paddlin' down the romantic Little Wabash!

 

Your "best educated states" are likely better described as "most gullible and most infested with voter fraud."

The Little Wabash is out of banks flooded right now due to rains just north of here combined with melted snow. I crossed it twice today. Water everywhere!