55 States?

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  1. Brtblutwo

    Brtblutwo New Member

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    Conservative billionaire Tim Draper plans to split California into six states. He claims he wants to do it for the people, but the only people he is concerned with are himself and the other super rich of the U.S. Screw everybody else.

    Because the liberals and left-leaning moderates control in L.A. and the Bay Area, they outnumber the conservative voters that populate the rest of the state. This “forces” residents of California’s red counties to to live in a blue state. Draper believes conservatives and neoconservatives in the other proposed “red states” will jump at the chance to create their own perfect right wing utopias.

    But Draper hasn't considered one important factor, water. The two northern most “states” in his plan receive the bulk of the yearly rainfall for the entire state as it exists now. Folks in that region have always resented the state and federal water projects that diverted their highly prized water from its route to the Pacific Ocean, sending it instead to the agricultural Central Valley and the desert cities in Southern California.

    While the conservatives and neoconservatives would be eager to add eight or ten Republican Senators to Congress and increase their majority in the House, those residents and businesses that depend on the water from Northern California might be hesitant to jump on Draper’s bandwagon.

    With California experiencing one of its worst droughts in history, the need for the state’s efficient distribution of available water is being driven home. The rain and snowfall east of the summit of the southern half of Sierra Nevada mountains goes to Los Angeles, and the communities and farmers that rely on the rain and snowfall on the west side of the mountain range already hate the fact that they must share that water with indigenous species along the San Joaquin River and Delta.

    For decades, plans to help divide water among the humans and animals have stalled. But with the current drought, the state’s Republicans promise to cut taxes, and still spend billions of dollars on water projects to supply more water to the parched sections of California. (Unless there are suddenly many days of rain. If that happens, only the tax cuts will be pushed. The GOP lawmakers in the state capital will fight funding water projects until the next drought.)

    Draper’s plans to split a state with fifty-eight squabbling counties under one state government into six squabbling states under six disagreeing state governments is typical conservative/neoconservative stupidity.

    In addition to being the eighth largest world economy, more than 50% of the United States' fruits, vegetables and nuts come from the state of California. It is also the top dairy-producing state of the country. Without the cooperation forced on these counties by a single state government, that production would decline considerably, and raise food costs nationwide.

    Tim, your idea is shortsighted, negatively impacts the average citizens, and could destroy many farms and related businesses. You “six state plan” is more typical conservative/neoconservative stupidity motivated by greed.

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  2. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Especially the nuts, not mind you that I blame Draper for wanting to get away from the crazy leftist that have spent the last thirty years running the place into the ground.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the terminator was hardly a leftists
     
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    Xanadu New Member

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    Six states sound very revolutionary, so not in advantage of the people.
    If there will be resistance to that idea, that will lead to more struggle and organisation of more freedom loving people.
    Revolutionaries and politicians/politics always cause the same, more fight and resistance in more people.
     
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    I doubt this will actually happen, 50 is a nice even number.
     
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    A 6 state division is probably too many, but a 3 or 4 state division seems appropriate.. I would even be willing to support a 2 state division of the one I live in even though the part I live in would be hurt financially by it in the short run. Unless we do something to make people feel more connected to their government and the governments more responsive to the needs of people outside the big urban areas of 14 states, then life/living conditions will continue to worsen in the United States. If this gets us to that goal because Washington is bought and paid for on both sides, then that is the price we should be willing to pay.
     
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    To split CA into 6 states will need the approval of the Mexican government. Hey, that will give Obama and Michelle another reason to travel and bow down to the Mexican president. Plus a few rounds of golf at Club de Golf Avandaro.
     
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    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    Being a good California hating citizen of Oregon, splitting California into a bunch of smaller states would be a good thing. You see, hating all Californians is problematic because the people of Northern California are pretty decent and worthy of respect until proven otherwise. However, since the Southern Californians and bay area Californians earn every bit of scorn Oregonians can heap onto them, then breaking these places up would allow us to focus our hatred of Californians in general to those who so richly deserve it.
     
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    Sounds like a great idea. I'll support it any way I can.
     
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    Thank you for proving my point about hatred between states. It is that very animosity among conservatives and neoconservatives of different states that requires a single state government to maintain the necessary cooperation that makes California the eighth largest economy in the world.

    The greed of the right-wingers in a group of six states, as proposed by Draper, would diminish the productive capabilities of California by well over half. That would relegate the region to the limited productivity of states like Oregon. Oregon has currently 11% the GSP of California, while at the same time has 61% the square miles. More proof that California needs is size and unifying government, despite the conservatives’ and neoconservatives’ wishes to destroy the state's economic advantages.
     
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    ringotuna Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The map accompanying the link shows a potential geographic division. I'd like to hear from California residents how those lines would divide the state economically. For instance, a state drawn to include most of the Central and San Joaquin valley's economy would be primarily agriculture based, correct? or no? And Silicon would be heavy in Tech?

    Where am I going with this? California with the highest GSP in the country, is the sum of it's economic parts.
     
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    Yes, and this productivity depends on the intelligent usage of the state's water supply.

    This is something the single issue voters of the right wing cannot understand. As we've seen in red states, conservatives and neoconservatives focus their concerns on whether single mothers are receiving too much in food stamps, or if some pregnant teenager wants an abortion rather than ruin her life with an unwanted baby she cannot afford to raise without the food stamps right-wingers want eliminated.
     
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    Don't forget similar talk in NY, MD, and CO.

    People are really, really polarized right now.
     
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    ringotuna Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is every topic nothing more than a chance to segue into more blathering partisan rants?
     
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    Of coarse people forget it's the large populations of the urban regions that supply most of the taxation revenue that finance the frastructure projects...urban centers are the engines that drive the economy...
     
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    There is NO talk of that in New York.

    Don't even try it.
     
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    Taxcutter says:
    I posted a link on it earlier this week.
     
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    Hey, not everyone from the Bay Area is a socialoid leftard! Tim Donnelly stopped by a Silicon Valley Taxpayers Association meeting just 2 nights ago and I got to shake his hand and everything. An NRA meeting is scheduled for 5 nights from now in the same place.
     
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    That would be news to me. Secession isn't a discussed topic here. The most conservative New Yorkers are still pretty moderate.
     
  20. Brtblutwo

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    Sadly, it was not a partisan rant, it was the truth about the effort to break California into six separate states.

    Single issue voters do not consider consequences of their shortsightedness, they only view a proposal like Draper’s as being an opportunity to push their right wing agenda ahead, not the destructive plan it is.
     
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    Nor was he exactly a conservative and the governor given that both houses of the legislature are controlled lock, stock, and barrel by the lunatic left, has very few effective means of controlling CA.'s ship of state.
     
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    ringotuna Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So that's a yes. "every topic IS nothing more than a chance to segue into more blathering partisan rants."
     
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    according to obama there's 58
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