Russia planing for WW#3?

Cream for what it is worth I personally believe the media always blames either the US or Israel for the world's issues.

The same people who criticize the US are the first to line up for its help.

I do not agree with the Obama foreign policy agenda at this time. I prefer the approach of Colin Powell and John McCain to world affairs. I am probably what you Americans call a Kennedy Democrat on social matters but an Eisenhower Republican when it comes to foreign policy. I think the best foreign policy people are former soldiers like McCain and Powell.


Obama should be condemning what is going on loudly and openly.


I do not long for a cold war again but to me Putin is just another in a long line of KGB old time Russian Stalinists recycled and all they understand is someone who stands up to them,

This asskissing by Obama with Iran and being embarrassed in Syria has created a vacuum in leadership. Hopefully a new President will re-establish the US as a stronger presence in world affairs. The US has nothing to apologize for.

I will take the US over Russia anyday as my neighbour and closest ally.

I believe without a strong US presence in world affairs Putin will behave no differently then Stalin or Breshnev or Kruschev once did.

 

The events in Egypt unfolded EXACTLY as we planned for and expected.

When we tried to get Mubarak to institute Local Elections and transition to a Democratic Republic he refused....so we bet an another horse....the Egyptian Military.

The people of Egypt who we KNEW would make the mistake of trusting Morsi who was just a dupe of the Muslim Brotherhood....celebrated WILDLY in the streets as their HERO'S....the EGYPTIAN MILITARY....refused to allow Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood to turn Egypt into a strict Islamic State.....those people of Egypt so inexperienced with writing Democratic based Constitutions did not include a mechanism to legally remove Morsi from power.

We backed the Egyptian Military and their Leadership as the Egyptian Military has multiple Liaisons to CENTCOM...or the U.S. Military CENTRAL COMMAND.....one of the 7 WORLD WIDE U.S. Military Commands which include also AFRICOM, PACOM, ASIACOM, EUROCOM, NORTHCOM and SOUTHCOM....which basically break up the entire Planet Earth into 7 U.S. Military Spheres of Command.

USCENTCOM....is extremely close with the Egyptian Military and Egyptian Military Leadership and while Obama went on TV and said the U.S. would back the Democratically elected leadership of Egypt....USCENTCOM...was making sure the Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi would be thrown out on their asses.

You should NOT talk about things you have very little knowledge about unless you are asking a question.

AboveAlpha

 

Oh dear ,excuse me European Imperialist ,but the Use by your lot of War ,to gain monetary advantage is so 19th Century .
Lets ,see your crime s, WW1, WW2 ,the Holocaust =180 million dead.
This does not include every smaller war of conquest ,up to and including ,Iraq, Afghanistan.
Those within the walls of the Kremlin ,for your information are stooges of US Imperialism ,who were responsible for the Dissolution of the USSR.
Now ,lets have a look at OBAMA's achievements in Foreign Policy ,Letting Japanese Imperialism off the leash ,spitting on the memory of every dead and wounded US soldier in the Asian Theatre of WW2.
Go for it ,Japan in relation to China is their slogan ,step back a little and consider that when dealing with China ,one is dealing with Nuclear weapons .

They demand that China recognises that the US and Japan control all the sea lanes in the South China sea.
Gee, since when was the South China Sea ,the territorial waters of the USA ? see lets spell it out for the Ignorant ,C-H-I-N-A ,is a different place to the U-S-A ,separated by 1000's Miles .

The US has no claim in any way to the S-O-U-T-H C-H-I-N-A S-E-A, next you will be saying that Australia Has a right to send its Warships and Planes into the Gulf of Mexico ,and call it Australian Territorial Waters .

CHINA is the operative word .

BTW, if one wants to look at the Maniacs in motion of both the European and US Imperialism's hey ,The Ukraine where German Imperialism is planning the 3 rd Invasion ,the first 2 WW1 and WW2 cost and estimated 40million dead.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/02/19/ukra-f19.html

So let me guess you think Fascists are nice people?

 

Are you saying the...."Dissolution of the USSR"....was not a GOOD THING? LOL!!!

Look at the Ukraine right now and try to tell me that this does not have PUTIN stamped all over it?

China...CHINA....cannot be trusted to be anywhere NEAR as benevolent Militarily as the U.S.....and China must and will be contained.

Russia is on a steady spoon filled by Putin diet of Past Glory.

Either Russia evolves or becomes irrelevant.

AboveAlpha

 

I have no agenda.
YOU don't have an answer!

 

Jazz your attempt try bait me to hijack this thread to engage in holocaust denial is busted.

Go back to Stormfront for that kind of conversation and stop trying to hijack this post.

 

So its not Putin's puppet killing Ukrainians its German imperialists. Better still, the Kremlin is a stooge of the US.

Hey with analysis like that it makes perfect sense to me now.

Now as for the South China Seas, its interesting to see how there is no discussion of the fact that South Korea,Japan, North Korea, China, Taiwan-Formosa, are all involved in disputes as to who owns what. No you see its simply the Americans trying to control the waters. It can't possibly be that the US , China, Russia all have strategic interests all over the world and network with allies over mutual interests.

I will say this. Canada had the third largest navy at the end of WW2 next to the US and Britain. We then dismantled it in less than 5 ears.

What was the result? China, Japan, the USSR, Spain, and Portugal entered our waters and permanently destroyed the fishing industry off the Grand Banks doing permanent damage to the oceans by engaging in illegal fishing that scraped the eggs right up off the bottom of the ocean.

Had Canada had any vision we would have realized any nation, even NATO allies like Spain and Portugal let alone China or the USSR do whatever is in their best interests at any given moment.

China will travel anywhere at anytime and so will Japan and Russia and violate any international law it wants and then people ask why the US is out ont he open seas forming strategic alliances?

Right in Sharik's make believe world Russia and China can travel anywhere in the world exploiting countries and creating captive colonies but if the US tries to do what is in its best interests that is imperialism.

No discussion of what China has done in Mozambique,Angola,Sudan, Iran not a peep.

No discussion what Russia has done in the Ukraine, against Georgia, Kurdistan, Chechnya, Afghanistan, on and on.

One big bad evil standard for the US, and none for China and Russia.

Tell you what. Living in a country where 80% of it is controlled by US financial interests I speak as a colonial captive of the US here in Canada.

I am doing just fine. Now if you think I would prefer to throw out the US and invite China or Russia in, instead, I have one thing to say, hah.

The evil US empire I will take over the Russian or Chinese ones any day.

The only Yankee imperialists I know are New York Yankees fans and they can be mouthy but they pay their hotel bills.

 

Sorry, I don't get it! The Red Cross Report is a neutral source. WHY can you not respond to that? They are not denying the hc. They simply state the facts they encountered during their visits. To blame me for baiting, and telling me to buzz off, shows me you have no objective argument. That said...
have a nice day!

Btw., I have nothing to do with Stormfront. Is that another place where you also hang out?

 

Jazz I have never told you to buzz off. I am tempted to but have not. However I am telling you now and for the last time, to come on this thread and try hijack it to question the holocaust using one of the most absurd of holocaust denial techniques pretending you have no idea the article you quoted was repudiated by the very Red Cross you quote is nonsensical. This is not the place and time to deny the holocaust or quote racist holocaust denial sites. Go debate that with someone else. Not interested. You have no platform from me on this thread to play that tune.

You want to start a thread denying the holocaust no one is stopping you. Now I have had the decency to refrain from any rude comments to you and I will continue to refrain from commenting further to you on this thread and for that matter any thread as to the holocaust.

 

I have never understood the logic of those who attempt to deny the Holocaust.

U.S. Troops liberated such Concentration Camps and there is absolutely no question the Holocaust happened.

AboveAlpha

 

Yep and as you are well aware from the many posts we have read on this forum its amazing to what lengths people will go n ot only to deny an dtry revise history but bait people in engaging in such games.

I am curious Alpha what you think of this attempt at a peace treaty. Think it will work? I just don't see the Ukrainian people stopping until Putin's boy is out. I personally believe Putin could care less what Obama or anyone else thinks. I do not think the Ukrainians are going to allow themselves returned to the cold war days. You think Putin feels empowered by Obama's foreign policy/ You think its creating a vacuum?

 

You will have to forgive me as you might have read and noticed many in depth posts detailing Syria, Israel, Iran, Iraq, China....etc....and thought I might be able to comment or talk about the Ukrainian issue.

I CANNOT.

That is all I will post on the matter.

AboveAlpha

 

I think that every major super power is constantly planning for WW III; it keeps them at ready just incase.

 

Canada has won hockey Gold. The world is again safe from Russian tyranny.

 

re you sure??? I believe I have read several times that he said this.

 

where have you read that? Stalin wasn't a blab, there's nothing much to quote from what he said or wrote, also he wasn't so fluent in Russian which was foreign langage to him to be much of a talker.

 

USA of course, still keeps missile silo operators 100% certifiable.

And USA is also prepared for extraterrestrial takeover of our country by having secret underground bunkers with personnel assigned to ignore all calls to not press the doomsday device should the aliens take over the Presidents body. This confirmed by Outer Limits episode, which is useful for anticipating potential futuristic threats to earth.

 

Ukraine is supposed to be part of Russia, so things are going back to what they should be.

 

What I KNEW was going to happen is currently happening in the Ukraine and there is little the United States can do about it at least Overtly.

This just demonstrates the BRUTALITY of Putin.

AboveAlpha

 

If they are they better wait until they actually have a military capable of taking on the West. At this point they would get their arse handed to them. I personally do not think they are but they would like to bring their former slave nations back into the fold, my guess is Putin and other Russians want the USSR back, with them in control of-course.

 

Yes, you were right...

But, don't play innocent with me. I know, or at least strongly suspect, the games in Ukraine are being played by more sides than just Russia! Many people want Ukraine TOO much, and I don't understand it. You know the fight over Ukraine is wrong, from an ethics point of view?! THAT's right! The Allies are being aggressive.

Maybe you should look in the mirror. There are those that say the USA or the EU is a good place, and they are right! But, what if that wasn't the case?

How is it different than any of the other power games that are playing throughout history and through to the present day?

If Russia wasn't involved, which it is unfortunately and that's why I can't make a point, but if they weren't involved... The Ukraine crisis would lead to a split which would help to solve many political problems and divisions there, such as separating the two groups on opposite sides of Ukraine, one pro-EU the other pro-Russia. Seriously, they both need a time out!

Unfortunately Russia is involved so a capitulation to Russia can only be a bad thing... and not in the best interests of Ukraine.

If I were in charge I wouldn't care about Ukraine. They are their own country who deserves their own destiny, and the ability to make that choice. One exception to that rule is to watch the transition of Eastern Europe over the years because our allies in Europe need protection from future Russian aggression. Otherwise I'd be happy to leave them be, except for the standard humanitarian efforts to help that region, of course. I wouldn't care if they wanted to join the EU, stay independent, or join Russia... Ideally they would become a bridge between Russia, east and west Europe...

Did I mention how many people want Ukraine? I just don't understand, I really don't! This whole cold war mindset was supposed to die out! I didn't even know about or personally experience the cold war. As I was born in the 1980s I wasn't old enough to remember most of it, because I wasn't aware of the larger world until the 1990s when the Soviet Union was already bankrupt and gone, done, supposed to be a foot note of history... I HATE these multi-generational conflicts, we might as well be fighting the 100s year war, since I wasn't around to see the beginning.

 

You know I can't talk about this Wga.

But I can say what is going on is EXACTLY what I predicted would happen....that being Putin would wait about 10 to 14 day's after the Olympics were over and then go in....as Putin already sent in Russian Special Forces in numbers during the Olympics.

There is VERY LITTLE we can do for the Ukraine....and you are right....some people just want to make problems that will be perhaps irritating to Putin but LETHAL to Ukrainian's.

Still....Russia cannot hold on to the Ukraine forever.

AboveAlpha

 

What you still can't say anything? Even though everything's so obvious from the direction of world events? Even after the cat's out of the bag? Than, by all means, don't say anything.

What, someone still thinks this is all confidential and secret? That people can't think? That people can't instantly tell the signs about how things are going from how people at the top (politicians, diplomats, spokespeople) are carrying themselves about? That even the news media people, plain as day, are cringing in discomfort when they interview the pro-EU-Ukraine western spokespeople? Oh boy!

Okay, fine I can play this game... it's the worst kept secret in the universe... But, I'll try to refrain from making the obvious conclusions obvious for a little while longer... Anything to make the intelligence people comfortable... false comfort though it may be. As you can guess I don't have a non-disclosure agreement with anyone. I can play dumb though... Anyone can play dumb!


P.S. :But, of course, I don't want you to tell me anything confidential, so please don't say anything.

P.P.S: Haha! Russia called your bluff and now maybe you'll listen to the people here who say the USA isn't the future.

P.P.P.S. : Certain long-term world plans, that are completely unrelated to Ukraine... Are IMO dinosaur relics that are inflexible, doomed to fail, and are already obsolete. I can't understand if you can't see that...

P.P.P.P.S : The mid-century mark, when projections say the USA isn't a superpower... That time is ticking closer.

P.P.P.P.P.S. : A thought occurs to me: Maybe Russia decided to launch the world war now before they can't do it in 5 years once the USA's new laser toys come online...

 

What do you want us to do Wga....start a WAR?

I do feel bad for the Ukrainian People and I wish there was more that we could do but there isn't...not without threatening Worldwide Stability.

As far as the U.S. and when will other nations such as China become both Economically and Militarily powerful enough to be a counter balance.....China if anything has a VESTED INTEREST in keeping and helping the United States maintain a Powerful Economy because China's ENTIRE ECONOMY DEPENDS UPON US.

Militarily....the U.S. is so far in advance of other Nations it is difficult to either explain and even if I did most would not believe it anyways.

I can point out to things like when the Chinese Military Staff were PURPOSELY invited to the United States to witness U.S. War Games and they went to Norfolk home of the worlds largest Naval Port and watched other U.S. Military exercises.

It was part of a PLAN....as at the time the Chinese Communist Party was SET on Invading Taiwan and we came up with a plan that considered that a POSSIBLE ENEMY will not attack if they understand EXACTLY what they would be up against and exactly just how large of a failure an attack upon Taiwan would be and exactly what the U.S. Military was capable of doing.

This is a statement from Chinese General Chen Bingde who was part of the Chinese Military delegation we PURPOSELY INVITED to the U.S. to watch U.S. Military Forces war game.

DECADES BEHIND THE WEST?

Chen played down Chinese military advances on his trip, telling the audience of U.S. military officers and faculty at the National Defense University the People's Liberation Army lagged at least 20 years behind developed Western nations.

"To be honest, I feel very sad after visiting (the United States), because I think, I feel and I know, how poor our equipments are and how underdeveloped we remain," Chen said.

LINK....http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/19/us-usa-china-idUSTRE74I05720110519

There is MUCH more to this but this statement was in Jan. of 2008.

We PURPOSELY invited the Chinese Military Brass to watch U.S. War Games and as well really P!$$ED OFF a few members of Congress when we allowed the General to visit a very secret High Tech. R&D Facility to view something that just by seeing....convinced the Chinese NOT to attempt any Invasion of Taiwan.

Now....there is only so much we can do as far as Russia is concerned but PUTIN has his chance.

Russia could have been a partner.

AboveAlpha

 

I'm playing dumb so I can't go into the rant I have about how we got here....

You think I want to start a war with Russia? Wow! Where did that come from?!

Now, I KNOW, I don't suspect, I KNOW I don't have enough information to comment completely on the direction of World events... Nor do I have the personal disposition to contemplate the true, brutal nature of reality that's needed to combat Russia in a non-war way....

However, in my naïve way, I would want to do some tweaking of the situation... Working backwards from the problem I would map the house of cards that is Putin's Russia... Pick a card that is seemingly lower down but is still key to the logistical support of the Russian power structure and plant a happy face card in there ... Sort of a "we were here but did nothing, and that might change in the future..." message.

Second, I would be planning a strategy, for the long term, for the eventual power vacuum that will occur once Putin is dead of old age. Because you can NEVER remove Putin from Russia, ever, by any other means than a war, and that will go nuclear...

Well, I'm wrong here, the only other option is if Putin is discredited in a major way in the eyes of his people either all at once or generally building up the dissatisfaction layer on layer... This would be the ideal way, but I can already tell you, based on the direction of world events, that this is just not possible... The smug self satisfaction and insolent attitude coming from the Diplomatic and Political branches, as demonstrated in the news media by this Ukraine crisis turns people OFF in a MAJOR way, I'm sorry but I don't trust the abilities of those in charge of this situation to be able to do this... This is nothing personal... But, such guile, and not just guile but actually extending an honest hand to the Russian people, It's just beyond many of them, it appears, and I'm too far out of the loop to comment further...

They say you can't kill an idea -- But to which I, personally, would add: you can always discredit it... The world is full of outdated and obsolete ideas going back for centuries, just swimming around in our libraries. Why doesn't anyone follow them anymore? Because they were discredited, long ago... And that's why you don't have to fear an idea. I know this, many don't know this and fear/dread ideas...

Now Putin could be discredited... The USA HAS ALREADY been discredited... Putin beat you to it. There really is nothing left to say about that...

The USA WON'T go to war ANYMORE... Just instigate trouble in the world for twisted ends... I'm going to say your intelligence programs are out of touch with reality and are alienating the American people as well as the world with your maneuvering...

You boast of advanced weapons, but your base is crumbling from the ground up. Half the nation is in poverty and that number is growing... The coming financial crunch that is going to deny my generation any benefits like your generation was promised... That weed which will strangle us all, increasing with each passing year, its only a year or two away from sprouting. The Tea Party austerity was just an appetizer ... This is REAL and from Defense's calls to end austerity cuts to the military I know your military programs WON'T survive the coming crunch...

You may not have to see the end of it, But I might have to deal with the broken pieces, assuming I live long enough to see the second half of the 21st century...