What is really going on in Ukraine

I just made an account here just to post this. Usually I`m far from politics but today I can`t stay aside.

I live in Ukraine and life there became tough. Economic system is broken and all funds i have i should keep to buy some food supplies. Ukraine is just in one step to a civil war. I don`t know what your media says but our is overloaded with information and propaganda.

I`ll give you guys some information as a citizen and direct observer. I know it may be boring to read this, but i hopes you are not apathetic to what is going on in our world. I will try to be as short as possible but it is hard because things is complex.

Also i will try to be as objective as possible. It might be a interesting story to you, i was thinking that Game of Thrones is a super saga, but now i have something more epic right in front of my eyes. That`s makes me sad.

1. Ukraine is historically multinational country. There are about 100 nations living there, but main population is Russians and Ukrainians. And this two nations are really close genetically and historically like two brothers. I am personally half-russian and half-ukrainian. I was born on eastern side but now i live in western Ukraine. Also Ukraine and Russia have deep links and connections in economics and heavy industry as a legacy of USSR.

2. Ukraine is divided to 25 administrative regions, like states in USA. And those regions are tends to have certain beliefs. But of course beliefs are not strict and may vary from man to man:
- Western regions is tends to be a part of Europe. This part of Ukraine has no big industry objects, main income is from turism. Also there is strong far right moods, deep nationalism, racism etc. Not everyone of course have such views but much more than other regions. There are mixed population consist of ukrainians, poland people, jews and less russians.
- East and South have pro-Russian moods and feelings. All coal mines and most heavy plants are placed there. Mostly russians lives here and ukrainians too. About 75% have relatives in Russia.
- Center regions has kind of mixed moods. Also there are some industry constructions.

Also i should tell you a few words about how our economy works. Every region generate some money, then money goes to our capital - Kiev, and then government decides how divide money between regions. Eastern regions generates much more money because of heavy industry and people there must works in mines and plants. Western regions is turistic and usually they gets more money than they can generate. Also work there is easier in average.

3. I was born in USSR and since it was broken and Ukraine gain independence we have very corrupted government all the time. Whoever gets power starts to steal everything they can. Thats why Ukraine have great potential and resources but still a very poor country. Last few years we have goverment from East regions. When i have to vote for parliament or president i vote not for a good one but for a smaller evil. But nevertheless those few years was fine i can`t see any objective reasons for mass riots. Except one - west regions hate east ones and especially because of main party in parliament and president.

4. How all this happens
- We have not great but legal president and government. They are was accepted by Europe and USA as legal. Obama shaked Yanukovich`s hand and congratulated him.
- Once up on the time government decide to think about Association with European Union. Many people says hooray! We will join EU and will be able to go to Europe easily to get some jobs, also our salaries will grows 10 times, we all became rich and happy. Well, i believe nobody really reads this Assosiation document because it is not join with EU but something different. And there no reasons to salaries grows or simplification of boundaries crossing. Up to this document Europe has no any responsibilities but Ukraine has a lot. Also it will kill our internal food market (because of complex European standarts) and industry. People in eastern regions thinks that Ukraine must increase connection with Russia, it is easier and gives us real profits because of industry links.
- Suddenly president says like Nah we won`t sign it right now, have to think about. That was a great surprise for many of us especially in western and central regions. They are already was prepared to be europeans. Also it was a surprise for EU and USA as far as i understand. For sure there are grand geopolitics involved. If Ukraine join EU in any possible way it will affect and weaken Russia a bit.
- After that we had Maydan (sounds like My+Dun, means town square, it from the name of main square in Kiev - Square of Independence). What Maydan is? A lot of people came to main square of the capital to demand to sign assosiation with EU. Some of them comes by true believes and hopes of better life, some was affected
by tons of propaganda, some was from Right Sector.
- Right Sector is group of far right organizations, they proclaim nationalizm, clearness of ukrainian race, ultra patriotism etc. Their leaders fought in Chechnya wars on the terrorists side against Russia, also they honor some ukrainian people and organisations who was on Nazi side during WW2. Mostly Right Sector is young strong guys who has some combat training and skills. Also right in our parliament we have Svoboda (Freedom) party which is nor formally in Right Sector but absolutly share their beliefs. Thats how far all goes. Of course Right Sector hates russians, poland, jews and everyone also except ukrainian nationalists.
- Also we have opposition who want to change government with helps of Maydan and Right Sector.
- Ok so what's happens next. For about 2 months Maydan was less or more peaceful. But president instead of signing unprofitable association with EU signed nice profitable aggrement with Russia. And there was BOOM. Maydan under massive propaganda and ruled by active and dare Right Sector members inside became very dangerous. They start a real riot, and trying to assault administrative buildings in Kiev.
- Government called special forces to defend buildings and order. This forces called Berkut (i believe it is like Golden Eagle in English). Those forces has just metal shields and clubs but no firearms. About few weeks Berkut holds positions. But Maydan became unstable, they throw big stones and molotov cocktails to the police. It was really scary and shocking those guys from Berkut was burned alive you can find videos in youtube if you can but watch without children please. Few days they hold position with just shields and clubs, they are was not allowed to use guns by government.
- Of course oppositions propaganda called them traitors of nation and people. My opinion that they are just do their duty and hold chaos.
- And of course somebody start shooting. I don't know who it was fisrt. Maydan says it was Berkut. Berkut says it was Maydan. Berkut had to save their lives and start to shoot back to only armed people. Those armed guys from Right Sector was mixed with others like teenagers, women and just ordinary men.
- All this time government was under the pressure. At the end president says ok lets make new government, but Maydan should give up all guns and leave all captured buildings. Opposition say ok. Also this agreement was signed by Poland, Germany and France representatives.
- But i think it was a bad plan for Right Sector and they start escalate conflict with Berkut. Opposition is not really controls Maydan. In this chaos about 87 mans died from Maydan side and about 30 of Berkut. Dead people from Maydan was proclaimed as heroes and called Sky Hundred, Berkut was ashamed and Damned. I believe mass media in western world share this position.
- After that city come to chaos. Maydan occupied Rada (Main government building), Berkut was called back, President ran away with his securities. Everyone who shares Maydan believes celebrated a victory.
- Next. New "government" was formed, many positions was occupied by Right Sector. Even some in a Ukrainian Security Service. Also was proclaimed a temporary president. Obviously he is not legal, because we still have old coward one. In Ukraine we have procedure to fire presidents. This procedure needs to be done in Constitutional Court but it was disembodied by new government.
- Banned Berkut retreat to Crimea peninsula (like a half-island). Crimea became a heart of resistance to new government. Also about 80% of population there russians and one of the city there is base for Russian Marine Fleat of Black Sea.
- Now Russia come in play. Before that it was busy with Olympics games, but of course keep an eyes on Ukraine. Many thinks that Russia wants to join Crimea because it is really valuable piece of land. Maybe it is true, but I think Russia will not, it is hard and will cause many problems. Also in 1994 Ukraine became not-nuclear country and Russia, USA and Great Britain sign agreement which said that they are guarantee integrity of Ukraine in case of external threat.
- First of all Russia gives political support for those regions who resist new government. Now Russia proclaims that it will be forced to use military forces in case of violence in South and East regions of Ukraine to defend russian population there (which is about 80%). Because this regions don`t want to accept new pro-nazi government.
- Now we have total mobilization of Ukrainian Army, because new government scared of Russia. But Russia will not bring any troops if South and East will be able to decide their own future. And of course nobody wants to fight because we are brothers. But Army commanders have to accept orders, also some of them shares
oppositions believes. But Right Sector trying to provoke violence in East cities, they have automatic weapons captured in police departments during chaos and anarchy. They came on the buses and trying to provoke locals by demonstrations, assault of buildings and ruins memorials of WW2. Locals have no weapons to resist them in arms. Also this can be accepted as riots and cause a reason to use Ukrainian Army at the East.
- Right Sector also asked for a help of Islamic terrorists on their social media page. They are fought with them against Russia. But now they said that someone is steal their password and all if this is provocation.
- Also one of the leader of new government says that Ukraine can became a nuclear country again if Russia will not stop intervention. This is technically absurd but there is something to think about.
- Main problem is that Right Sector is armed, half-legal and not controlled by anyone. And if government decide to get rid if them, who will do this? Berkut is fired and ashamed. It can be a Ukrainian Army or Russian. Also people who lives in south and eastern regions have other opinion. They wait for Russian Army like for saviors from Right Sector Nazi terror. Which is more that real treat.

5. What is next? I don't know. Nothing good obviously. In best scenario we will have economic collapse in worst economic collapse and war. Who is guilty? I don't know, maybe western government and secret services who makes our country a stage of geopolitical game. Maybe we are Ukrainians guilty case we was stupid and hateful to each other. But Russia now have to deal with it and solve our problems.

Thanks to those of you who read to the end. And sorry for my bad English.

 

& Thank You for a Cogent Analysis *

 

Very good analysis

 

Make sure to post more!

Ours is mostly just propaganda. Not so much the information.

Even Obama's scared of Russia!

 

May I have your permission to re-post what you just said-word for word-on my own blog ?

Your English is just fine : quite clear, and if you make a small mistake or two, who cares ?

Thank you, whatever you decide !

 

Thanks for the insight, very interesting. Unfortunately I believe you are headed to war, the future of your Nation should be left up to the People of your Nation, not the will of Putin and Russia. Hoping you and yours all come out safe and in a better Nation.

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Thanks for the insight, very interesting. Unfortunately I believe you are headed to war, the future of your Nation should be left up to the People of your Nation, not the will of Putin and Russia. Hoping you and yours all come out safe and in a better Nation.

 

Thanks for your post. I have a question. Given how complicated the story is, do the people of Ukraine want to deal with this themselves, or are they looking for help from the outside?

 

You just cleared up my biggest question. The reason why Ukraine is in such trouble is CORRUPTION.
The reason why the entire world is too broke to help is CORRUPTION.
Russia will keep a lid on some of this, but Russia as well is CORRUPT.
The Ukraine will be sacrificed by the rest of the world, and it will most likely re-align with Russia.
The rest of the world can complain all they want. Russia will remain the weapons resource for India, and the gas resource for the EU.
There will be a whole lot of words and the like, but that will only amount to fluff that fills the gaps between commercial breaks in world media.

 

Thanks guys for you support

Ok if you don`t mind i can describe what is going on now.

- Looks like Russia bring some military forces up to boundaries with Ukraine. Mostly to the East side. But there still no regular army of Russia in Ukraine. It is more like moral help to those regions who stands against current pro-nazi powers in Kiev. And regions must stand for their rights without help of Russia. Russian troop is needed just in case of mass violence against locals. Probably there are may be some troops of Russia inside Crimea because of russian navy base there. But it like special forces and very limited count.
- Current government in Kiev trying to show everything like Russian intrusion is already happens. Also they proclaim that pro-russian propaganda is everywhere. They are very sad about last news from CNN and BBC. They says "we can trust no one, even CNN against us, propaganda everywhere". They says that russian medias using Gebbels methods. If you don`t know Gebbels is one on nazi icon and ideologist. By the way Kiev trying to block russian tv-channels, that cause many ukrainians watch only ukrainian news. Many elder people still have only TV-set and no internet.
- Tomorrow ukrainian singer Ruslana will give a speech at EU parliament. I believe once she wins Eurovision, but i`m not sure if this is a good reason to represent Ukraine by her at such high political event.
- As i sayd earlier Kiev proclaim total mobilisation of Ukrainian Army. Not many comes, about 1,5% but i don`t know if this info realistic. Under cover of mobilization nazi-fighters of Right Sector can be armed even more than they are armed now
- Also i see some information that around 300 mercenaries of Blackwater troops get to Kiev through airport Borispol. Also i can`t says if it is truth ir not. All we have is data from airport employee and video of very strange mercenaries on streets on Donetsk. Donetsk is one of the main city of the East. And second big heart of resistance after the Crimea.
- The fate of eastern regions is bother me more than anything else. People there can`t accept new nazi-government, but local politicians is corrupted and represents interests of olygarhy not people. This especially going on in Kharkiv, Donetsk and Odessa.
- Right Sector became real military power. They have a lot of guns, locals at the East have nothing. Also they can dress like ukrainian army. Police and army is still takes order from Kiev and will not defends locals of the East. I really worry about my brothers there.
- Why i call them nazi? I don`t know if should explain that. Now they not even hiding this. They use nazi symbolism (crossed N, swastika, celtic cross, 14/88 etc), honor ukrainian nazi of WW2, proclaim clearness of nation. And main catchword is "Honor to Ukraine - Honor to the Heroes!" Sounds ok right? But if you know history this catchword was created by Ukrainian Rebel Army who support nazi during WW2. Also this catchword was created as direct analog to famous nazi slogan "Hiel Hitler - Zieg hiel!" Also you should know that in 1943-44 Ukrainian Rebel Army killed about 30-80 thousand inocent peaceful people in Volyn region. Those people was mostly poland, jews, russians and ukrainians who was married with people of other nation.
- I hopes people of the East have enough strength to hold their rights. I really sorry i can`t join them today.

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Absolutely! Do whatever you want and think is right.

 

People of Ukraine now is divided like never in our history. Those who lived on South and East absolutely needs help immediately. They are praying for help of Russia. But Russia will keep aside until something really bloody happens and there will be enough political reason to use their army on territory of Ukraine.

People in center and especially western Ukraine need no any help for now. Their mind is "intoxicated" by victory of Maydan. But counrty slowly goes to chaos. And on streets we already see armed guys from Right Sector and they are controlled by hidden force or controlled by no one.

 

Hello Ender8419. Your post is excellent. And I do believe you have made it very clear who the instigators are. But I also think the pro-Russia Presidents you elected created the tensions that caused the ultra-nationals to start fighting back. Tons of money have been given to Ukraine only to be squandered away without improving the economic conditions. I also get the distinct impression you feel Ukraine would be better off signing with Russia. Am I wrong? After reading your post I almost believe Putin when he says ultra-nationals are creating the problems and Russian troops must be used to protect pro-Russian Ukrainians. My question is why western reporters are not seeing how the heavily armed ultra-nationals are the main threat to stability there? Are most wearing the nazi insignia or are they wearing plain clothes or dressed in Ukrainian army uniforms? Sounds like a very scary situation for everyone there. Stay safe and let's hope a peaceful resolution can come of this.

 

You were much more insightful then most on this forum.

My question is do you think the West and East have a reason to fight? Do you believe that in the May elections that the democratically elected President would be Pro Russia or Pro EU? If it was to lean Pro EU, do you believe it is okay for Russia to not allow the democratic process from happening and land grabbing eastern parts of Ukraine?

Is this new regime as ruthless as they seem?
Historically speaking EU, is far more liberal with rights and acceptance of cultures and religions than Russia has been over the past 50ish years. My problem with this is, if these people are Pro West/EU ties why would they hate a foreign culture so much even though historically they are more accepting then Russia?

Also could your culture and religious background be swaying you into being more Pro Russian because of your ancestry?

I'm not trying to be rude, but I just don't see such a large group of people being willing to fight if the underlining problem was not bigger then the media makes it seem. I was right about this in Syria, and I believe Ukraine is having similar issues and neither party is willing to compromise.
I honestly do not know much about eastern Europe though.

 

The effect of the Budapest Memorandum obliges the US and the UK to do something about the Russian intervention. What form this "something" takes is up for debate, suffice to say that war is unlikely to be the outcome.

 

Whatever your politics are, I urge you to help get Ender 8419 's message out -just as written.

It could, Lord help us, be the difference between (uncomfortable) Peace, and bloody all-out War.

 

You basically right but i think it is better to give deep explanation. Since USSR was broken we had 4 presidents. First 2 presidents (Kravchuk and Kuchma) was elected normally without any problem. Country was still united, relations between regions was fine, most people was ok with those two presidents. But things going worst. Because nobody really bother to keep brotherhood moods everybody who gets power just stealing money. Same time at western Ukraine start to grows far right moods and nationalism. Reason as always lies in past. After WW2 Stalin smashed all nazi organisations in western Ukraine by force. Some nazis was executed many went to prison. Todays modern neo-nazi are sons and grandsons of those who was smashed. Thats why they hate russians, they think that they still communists or something and want to revenge. Ok so when it was time (in 2004) to elect 3-rd presidents there starts real problems. We have 2 main candidates - Yuschenko (from west) and Yanukovich (from east). Yanukovich wins, probably because more people live on east side. But west can`t accept that and they make first Maydan in 2004 year. Under the pressure of peoples mass in Kiev Yuschenko became president. He was totaly west looking politic, he has great support in any european and american official media and by politics. But next everybody feels that live became worst, prices grows, salaries fall down etc. Basically Yushenko was so bad that after his president time is over he just retire from politics. Nobody saw him as a politicians more. On the next election Yanukovich wins again. And he was not so pro-russian president as you think. At first he continue western line of previous one. But you should understand that deep economical relations with Russia was there all the time no mater who was president. But suddenly Yanukovich change direction from west to east. I don`t know was it essencial plan or not. And then all this happens. Also i can confirm that when he was president live became better, not much better but fact is fact. But still Yanukovich is corrupted scum, who think more how to steal more money for his family and friend, not about how to unite nation or make country stronger.

No you get it right. I don`t know if it is need to discuss. It is just my view of problem. When i write about situation i`m trying to be objective and not include my position. Sorry if it is not work as it should. We are all people you know and have own thoughts, some times it is hard to get rid of them.

If you take a look at the document of association you can see why i think so:
- Ukraine must upgrade all production and industry to EU standarts. It will cost about 80 billions. That is whole budget of the Ukraine of 2 years. We just have no such money. And nobody want to give it. If we will not do this in certain period of time we will lose all our industry.
- All food on our market should be up to EU standarts. In practice it means that we lost our internal food market and will have to buy food in Europe.
- Same for other markets and goods. We will have to buy many stuff in Europe.
- Of course prices will grow. And if in Europe average salary is about 800-1000 EUR, we have only 200-250 USD.
- Our production will not be able to compete with european and also will be limited buy quotas given by EU.
- thats main, but there are many little things.

Assosiation with Belarus, Kazakstan and Russia is more profitable. Because no strict standards or quotas, we have similar industries, links in various systems, resources and goods which we can sell to those countries, and buy back what we need.

I can`t say why. There are may be thousands of reasons. Just don`t know what to say, they may be corrupt or just not objective (they are people too). But some media start to change their position. I can`t watch all western media, but if you want i can find video from BBC where they shows and tells about nazi in Kiev street armed with firearms and giving interview. Whats is going on in eastern cities basically is not shown at all. All interested just in Kiev because Maydan is there. Nobody cares about regions, but real fight against pro-nazi government now there.

Not all Maydan (and others who support it) wearing nazi-symbolism. Mostly they are ordinary people like me and you. But everyone uses their slogan "Honor to Ukraine - Honor to the heroes!" Probably not many knows where it goes from. For them it is a slogan of current riot and just nationalism. Ordinary people are mixed with active, aggressive guys from Right Sector. This guys wearing nazi signs, shields, clubs with nails and firearms (handguns Makarov, shotguns, rifles and even AK-74 or AKM). This guys controls and gives orders to other people on Maydan. Some of them mat be dressed as usual people of course. Why not? I think they act up to situation.

As for army. All navy fleet and part of air forces not accept orders from Kiev and sworn to government of Crimea and nation. As well most if not all land troops of Crimea. Situation in other regions may vary. Some generals and commander may accept new government in Kiev, some will not. This is hard to say. But in this chaos and mobilization Right Sector has a lot of power in Army and they can do whatever they want. Like armed their terrorists even more, or dressed like soldiers of ukrainian army. For example to make provocation of russian army. Or came to South and East regions and make something really bad. They wait too long to get power, now they have it. They hateful, trained and ready for everything.

 

No. Also it is not that black and white. Our brain is lazy and trying to simplify and catogorize information and terms. But in reality things are more complex. Like boiling soup i think. But there is a great reason to do something with armed neo-nazi organizations. Like disarm them and judge in court.

I don`t believe that is possible to organize democratic election event in today situation. In Crimea it probably possible but not in other Ukraine. I don`t know what will be tomorrow, all the more so in May. Also i can`t say nothing about who wins, this is last i can think about today. I`m not an analitic and there are no any candidate list for now.

No it is not acceptable for any country include Russia. But i can say Russia allowed democratic elections in Ukraine in past and 3,5 of 4 presidents was pro EU. Also i`m sure that Russia have no rights to grab any part of Ukraine. Also if this happen Russia emmidiately get some NATO base in the rest western Ukraine. So it is not up to Russia`s interests. But if south and east will separate from other Ukraine it should be decision of people who lived there. Also it should be done in democratic way through referendum in this regions.

You mean current Kiev regime? No they are not ruthless (except Right Sector). Their power based not on democratic elections but on Maydan. Maydan itself controlled by Right Sector. All the official big figures like Turchinov, Timoshenko, Avakov, Yatsenyuk is a sack of snakes and they bite themselves. Everyone trying now to get more power covered by chaos. I don`t know who now has more real power politicians or Right Sector leaders. Also i don`t think that Right Sector is want Ukraine to join EU they have own goals. And you know people can says one but think another.

Yes. Like everyone of us. For example i can`t accept that Soviet army was like aggressor to Ukraine and Europe during WW2. Also i can`t honor nazi. During WW2 USSR lost 26.6 millions people. Only 6.3 was soldiers. Others 20 millions was peacefull civilian who dies in ocupation, concentration camps and by bombing. But i am not a communist or something, also i not accept facts as it is. I`m trying to think about reasons of things and evolve my critical thinking.

A bit later i`ll give you links, so you can see.

 

As i promise some proofs.

BBC - shows armed nazi in Kiev
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY
BBC - here is march of people who celebrated birthday of Bandera. He was leader of organisation who slaughter 50-80 thousands of peaceful polish, jews, ukrainians and russians in 1943-44. Is there something similar to european values?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHhGEiwCHZE
RT - prorussian media but scenes in video talking more than any words
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XPJ1rKfM90
Ther few brave citizens on the streets of Kiev trying to show their position and views. Then armed guys with with shields, bats, electric shockers and firearms block the road. Then hit them, broke heads and etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4GeD8Ubm0o

Ok lets watch at one of the leaders of Right Sector - Aleksander Muzychko. He is not a politician, not policeman, officially he is nobody just leader of the Right Sector (unofficial organization). Also he was on terrorists side in Chechnya.
here he hit and threat prosecutor in Rivne (main city of one of the western regions) also we see a policeman behind but he doing nothing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SbpJRENkVM
here he is "helping" to local government of Rivne region to do their job. Also he says that nobody can take he weapons. And somebody want then just try.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sSf5OE6pRcU#t=162
here he told us that he will hang on tree Avakov (current minister of defence in Kiev i believe)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8toNfe2FL2E


Now i show you that South and East trying to resist new Kiev government and far right ideology. This people has no any training or organization, suddenly they face a threat and trying to do something.
People in Odessa (main city in one of the southern regions) is AntiMaydan they screams "Russia!" "Fascism shall no pass!" They are not armed and doesn't hide their faces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGII8jDf4Z4
More Odessa peaceful demonstration. Also there shown temporary memorial of died soldiers of Berkut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEIJ4pB6OSQ
Antimaydan in Donetsk (main city in one of the eastern regions)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXMFGld3YtA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3okqDR_lQU
Locals in Kharkiv (main city in region) captured provocateurs who trying to start Maydan on streets of Kharkiv. Those guys who stand on knees not locals, they from other regions and was paid to be there and spread nationalists moods. You can see blood, but nobody was wounded in serious way. Locals even give them first help with antiseptics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25QghBLmyoQ
They are ashamed and marked with medicine antiseptic liquid which is also worked as green paint. Called "Zelyonka" it means a "greeny". Very popular in Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvRxTCqi5uU
Lughask (another main city) against new government. You can see both Russians and Ukrainian flags
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvRxTCqi5uU
Dnepropetrovsk (again main city of region). Against maydan, they defend memorial and screaming "Russia!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6EJQSpALI0

 

To Ender8419: I found this article regarding the Right Sector. Thought maybe you could read it and let us know how true it is. Thanks.

http://www.opendemocracy.net/anton-...dde’s-Ukraine-Far-RIght-How-Real-Russia

 

Thank you, and your English is fine. I wish you well; stay safe.

 

Thanks I will. Maybe in a few hours after work. I also made a big post with many links to interesting videos on Youtube. But when i trying to post it i get message that moderator need to check it before.

 

Sorry for the delay Ender8419.

All new members first ten (10) post are subject to Moderation, after that they will be immediately viewable.

 

more videos about ukrainian nazis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCGZBso8HxI

(According to Washington, they are "democrats"...)

 

No problem. Thanks


Oh guys i forget to show you something's really interesting.

This is damned by everyone special forces "Berkut". In new Ukraine they are proclaimed as evil forces of tyranny who kills people. They are just hold position and burn in flame of Molotov coctails. What a nice job. And they can do nothing because have no order to use force against this "peaceful" protestors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4OYGnD56XU

More than 30 of them is dead now. Include officers and even one major. Major got 2 bullets in leg and belly. He died in Kiev hospital because he doesn`t get proper medical help. Now his wife is a widow with 7 month daughter.

 

Ukrainian "democrats"...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVuRc3Bq73Q

Fortunatly in Moscow is Putin...and the Russian Army ready to avoid the nazis (supported by Washington and Berlin), are a threat to Russian Ukrainian.

Regards

 

This is great example of why Nazism is called "Brown plague". It spreads in minds as fast a fire in dry forest. We all should remember lessons of history. Here in Ukraine we have wise words "One who doesn't know past, have no future"

Another video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqdJIC389xc

Some very strange military guys in Donetsk. Have no any marks or signs on them. They are silent and not looks like russian or ukrainians forces. You can see how worried locals because of them. People screaming "who are you?", "who you gonna shoot here?", "mercenaries!", "(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s!", "blackwater!". But no real proofs of who they are exactly. Also there are very strong resistance movement in Donetsk with a good leader.