Freedom of movement to be extended to Romanians and Bulgarians

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Should freedom of movement be extended to Romanians and Bulgarians?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    37.5%
  3. Yes but have caps

    25.0%
  4. Scrap freedom of movement all together

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  1. munter

    munter New Member

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    I feel sorry for young Brits, just entering the workforce.

    they are screwed now
     
  2. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    You did. You said that after the 1st of January you started hearing 'all sorts of languages' around. Of course it doesn't have anything to do with Romania. It has more to do with paranoia and xenophobia.

    You certainly have never been here. I, however, did get introduced to UK.
     
  3. tamora

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    I did say that I hear all sorts of languages and that's true. It does not equate with saying "Romania is responsible for non-Romanian immigrants from all of Europe and worldwide" or anything even touching on that. My stance has nothing to do with paranoia or xenophobia. I'll say it again: It's about lack of space, public services already being stretched to breaking point, lack of jobs, wages being driven down with an oversupply of labour, increased crime. It's also about community cohesion. Large groups of immigrants don't integrate well. They're too inclined to form their own separate communities with minimal integration and then people who are not part of their respective ethnic groups feel they don't fit in and move out, resulting in those who do stay feeling isolated.

    As I only 10 days ago: Extending freedom of movement to Romanians and Bulgarians just extended the problem.

    **Sits back and waits to see how this will be twisted to suit your skewed view**.

    Eh? What's your point in saying this?
     
  4. highhopes

    highhopes New Member

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    I empathise. I would probably feel the same way.
    On the other hand once Romania and Bulgaria got included in the EU I would expect that they would be equal to all other Eu nations, meaning the free movement of persons would apply to them as well.
     
  5. tamora

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    I don't think free movement should apply at all. Immigration policy should be a matter for individual states. But on your reasoning, restrictions on free movement should never have been put in place at all.
     
  6. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    Actually it did... Remember:

    Then you quoted me:


    So we are a problem (since the 1st of January 2014)... That's esentially what you're saying here. ;) Do you really stand by that statement?

    Well, now I'm sure you remember that it actually did, at least at the time you wrote the post.

    Astrologically speaking, you really write like a Gemini :D.
     
  7. CaptainPierce

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    Free movement of labour is a brilliant ideal, when all countries involved are economically equal and politically united.

    As it happens....
     
  8. tamora

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    That's funny! By coincidence I am a Gemini.

    I remember and stand by everything I said, but I can't stop you making leaps of imagination or using strawman arguments. These are established tactics of yours I've noticed.
     
  9. Vlad Ivx

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    It's not coincidence.
     
  10. tamora

    tamora New Member

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    :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
  11. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    If I am to further narrow it down I can also tell with relative certainty that you were born between June 1st - June 21, though you are most likely from June 11 - June 21. I'd probably go for 13th or 17th, is that correct? Though you may also be one of the following: June 5th, 6th or 8th.
     
  12. tamora

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    You almost guessed right ... 4 June.
     
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    Whao let me get this straight. When you talk about Scotland you believe that being part of EU is a good thing and that it is better to be together. Now I find you here saying that actually we shouldn't be in union and we should send the Irish back. Wow just wow I wish you would contradict yourself more please.
     
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    Its calling 'joking', but with a sense of irony given the nature of Irish immigration (which is ignored by the xenophobes)
     
  15. munter

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    Ireland is past history, and that does not mean the UK has any obligation to let in more peasants.

    Keep the UK British and White, with controlled immigration to suit economic needs.
     
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    Hope you didn't celebrate the celebration for the foreigner St George
     
  17. munter

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    when was that again?

    but anyway, last I recalled, Scots were mainly white and of course in the UK
     
  18. Reiver

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    And most would have found your comment abhorrent.
     
  19. Pro-Consul

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    Well we do have a great many people who are ethnically non-white but have been in the UK long enough to be culturally British and often are.
    Do we discount them as well?

    Also why in your view do you believe that an exclusively white nation would be better off?
     
  20. munter

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    Predominantly white would be better.

    Because a shared history, race, culture, ancestry leads to greater mental strength, purpose and support of the nation.

    History has proved that.

    - - - Updated - - -

    No, because 70% of Scots want to remain in the UK, and it is a fact that the majority there are white.
     
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    Your figure is nonsense and your understanding of Scot attitudes is also weak. One reason for the pro-independence support is the Scot innate contempt for English right wing attitudes
     
  22. munter

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    How would Scotland fare on its own - not too well, I imagine.

    And how about some real reasons other than jingoism?
     
  23. Reiver

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    Globalisation has made political disintegration quite natural. Public good provision, for example, is cheaper for a population with similar needs. Other than the right wing knuckle dragging that inflicts the English, Britain is severely distorted by the London effect.
     
  24. munter

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    Let's say Scotland goes independent, won't you just be absorbed by the EU and face the risk that other low population nations do (same could go for England), ie: like Cyprus etc..?
     
  25. Reiver

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    All countries have lost a level of sovereignty because of globalisation. Scotland of course would increase its influence over preferential trade agreements such as the EU. Given its economy is distinct from the English (necessarily corrupted by the influence of London), it can make more informed decisions. For example, conditions suited for Euro membership are quite different to that of the English economy
     

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