Degenerate ideologies like neoliberalism (e.g. fascism) will always die

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  1. Burz

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    Legality will only be sufficient when money no longer rules.
    If they demonstrate loyalty maybe more leniency can be granted, provided they don't gather in the same spaces.
    Lone agents. It's feasible with strong order and computer technology. Ban twitter and NSA will not be necessary.
     
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    In no sense whatsoever. They simply do not exist. Free is a delusion, a myth, there is no free anything.
     
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    As long as money rules, it will corrupt whatever you send against it.

    loyalty, to you? What kind of morality, or lack thereof, do you follow? I'm curious.

    naive. How would you think lone agents would have a chance against a state?

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    Are you making the deterministic argument? If so, I agree.
     
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    As the capitalists themselves show, it is not hard to debauch a currency.
    Chinese Legalism
    Stalin killed his state. Have the new lone apparatchiks report to lone supercomputers - which are just around the corner.
     
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    And why is the small business harmless? Could it be because they cant influence the direction of big govt?

    If so it isnt the basic human right to voluntarily trade your labor or products thats the problem, its collectivist governments.
     
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    currency =/= wealth.

    utilitarian then? So am I, though we obviously have quite a different understanding of how things work.

    No he didn't. But who will set up this system? No, the state is to powerful, this is just naivity.
     
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    The climax in the understanding of rewards is to bring about a condition of having no rewards; the climax in the understanding of punishments is to bring about a condition of having no punishments; the climax in the understanding of education is to bring about a condition of having no education.

    The early kings did not rely on their strength but on their power; they did not rely on their belief but on their figures. When the highest condition of power is reached, things are arranged without a multitude of officials and are made fitting by expounding the system.

    But nowadays, reliance is placed on a multitude of offices and a host of civil servants, and in the official bureaux assistants and controllers are appointed. Now, the idea of appointing these assistants and controllers is indeed to prevent men from making profit, but these assistants and controllers themselves also desire to make profit. How then can they prevent others from doing so!

    Therefore, if one relies on assistants and controllers for one's administration, then will it be an administration that can barely maintain itself. It is not thus, if one understands "system"; one separates their power and puts checks on their conduct. Therefore is it said: 'If the conditions of power are such that it is difficult to conceal anything, then even a man like Zhi does no wrong. Therefore, the early kings prized power.

    in a condition of complete good government, husband and wife and friends cannot abandon each other's evil, cover up wrong-doing and not cause harm to relatives; nor can the men from the people mutually conceal each other from their superiors and government servants. That is because, although their affairs are connected, their interests are different. The early kings made it a principle that those whose business was connected, should have different interests. Though the people may hide things from their ruler, there is no harm done in thus covering them up, nor can there be advantage in having virtuous men or harm in having worthless ones. The system, therefore, of good government is to neglect the virtuous and to abolish the wise.
     

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