How has being a Christian made you a better person?

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  1. taikoo

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    As in Minion of the Dark One. Busted.
     
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    Hey, it's the Jews who claim to go by the OLD Testament and REJECT the NEW. Why don't you jump on them for a while?

    I don't like the spin that some of them put on a lot of this "death and destruction" either but I'm not allowed to say because people like you who love to call others names like "racist" or "bigot" who don't agree with your open boarders multicultural campaign to destroy US demographics and sovereignty.
    It doesn't take much imagination to see how some deviant or sadistic mind could twist them to serve his own nefarious purposes. One doesn't need any imagination at all if they are willing to accept what some of Judaism's leading Rabbis have stated out right at face value!

    But the ones who want to trash the New Testament just because they don't like the idea of being removed from their pedestal or because they like having special privileges and advantages need not come at me for not being "liberal minded" enough in my approach to dealing with people's problems. That is not if they are going to base their "Chosenhood" on all these "death and destruction" Old Testament stories.

    An atheist on the other hand dismisses both the Old AND the New as being nothing but fable. Why they aren't as determined to destroy Judaism as much as they are Christianity is a mystery to me.

    I don't see how THEY can claim to be a RELIGIOUS " Jew " when they deny the most fundamental tenets that faith is supposed to consist of. I've been called all sorts of things for calling attention to this fact.
    The only way to reconcile this inconsistency with their own definition of "Jew" is to admit that there is a racial/ethnic definition for it as well. This validates the charge that the "Jewish" community functions as a Socio/Political entity.
    As such they can no longer justifiably claim political immunity against all criticism, which they practically always do, by accusing their critics as being "anti-Semitic".

    The mere existence of so many formal Jewish Organizations and political action committees is proof of what I am saying. Therefore they are as open to scrutiny and political criticism as any other political or social entity is and the accusation of "anti-Semite" or "Nazi" is no defense.

    That may seem so at first glance, but in actuality it cannot be for the simple reason that each validates the other.
    Christ said he came to fulfill the law not to destroy it. He also made references to the Old Testament which confirmed them as being authoritative.

    This destroys the argument which some use against Christianity in saying that it gives it's followers a license to commit sin. The scriptures themselves flatly contradict that idea. Anyone who has read and comprehended the New Testament should know that.

    One has to realize that the OLD covenant was made in the era PRECEDING the arrival of Christ. Therefore the LAW which was established prior to that time was in effect.

    It is also helpful to consider the times, circumstances, and conditions of life which people lived under in the centuries before Christ's birth.
    The social and civil orders of the world and the ways in which states function have changed considerably even since the time of Christ.
    The rules and regulations which people were given would have had to have been tailored for the times in which they were written and according to the people to whom they were given.

    The excuse for altering the US Constitution which is often given is that the times have changed and that some of the rules which were made them have been made obsolete by today's conditions.
    Considering that only a couple of centuries have elapsed since then, it escapes me why they would have such a problem in seeing the necessity of some of the regulations which were imposed upon an ancient nomadic tribe surrounded by enemies which is much further removed in time. Nevertheless they cling to the older and attempt to discard the newer on little more than the time frame.

    One can chose to ignore these factors if all he wishes is to find material with which to attempt to "debunk" the Bible.
    One can equally make the argument that even accepting a purely evolutionary standard by which to gauge the human condition, that although advancements in things like mass production, industry, communications have altered the landscape in which we live, HUMAN NATURE has changed very little if at all.


    I am betting that there is NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever! The moral plight of man has not changed one iota.

    And I would urge all of those people who wish to establish a purely atheistic or secularized society devoid of religiously oriented restrictions upon behavior, to make a serious comparison of the civil state of Rome under some of it's Emperors and then contrast those with some of the recent trends which are indicative of an increasingly decadent society we are undergoing in the US today.

    They might want to reconsider the prospects of having indoctrinated a majority which places no value on the concepts of "obedience to God" or a power higher than that of the State which only achieves compliance through the threat of PUNISHMENT. Such a mass of people might cease to be motivated by anything else.

    In the event that the State ever lost control of those masses, they would no longer be guided by any internal constraints of a moral nature which stem from the fear of God. Nothing less than martial forces could contain them.

    If the atheist/Secular Humanist/Marxist "Jews" succeed in accomplishing this objective then they can be sure that if anyone ever comes after them, it will not be a mob of "Christians", even in name only.
    And the Zionists who hope to ascend to dominance by filling the power vacuum they are creating with the destruction of "Right Wind fundamentalist Christianity" and white middle class society, will no longer be able to amass the support of those "Putzes" who follow them on account of the doctrines "Religious leaders" like John Haggee promulgate.
    At that time the grounds on which to base ANY millennialist doctrine at all will have been " debunked ", false or not! I don't ascribe to the majority of them myself by the way .

    The Zionist community may be creating a Golem which they someday may not be able to control. This suits me fine since I am doctrinally at variance with the majority of them already. I'm just saying that calling me a Nazi or an "anti-Semite" won't be of any use to you at all if that day ever dawns. And the Zio xtion ZOGBots will no longer be around to aid in the defense of "God's Chosen" because all of that "hypocrisy" will have disappeared. For my part, good riddance to it!
     
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    Curses! I have been discovered.
     
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    Yes you have.
     
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    and there it is - full blown demonization.

    this is the element of indoctrination which leads people like doomunit to struggle so against the reality of good and decent non-believers, out there living fulfilling and meaningful lives, caring about community, the planet, and the human condition, etc. it effectively makes a lie of the whole sorry business. after all, if this SINGLE LINE is so patently a falsehood .....
     
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    Let the record show that I was right.
     
  7. holston

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    Right about what?
     
  8. holston

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    It's getting difficult for me to to take you seriously. But I'll continue to try.

    You have been trying to demonize me, Christ, and all of Christiandom since you got here.


    Romans 3



    This is speaking of the general condition of the world. Specifically, there is no man who is able to keep the law perfectly for the simple reason that he is imperfect to begin with. He is born into a world which is already contaminated with sin.
    Just as a person gets sick when he is exposed to a foreign antigen for the first time, the spirit of man, being weak and finite succumbs to the spiritual blight which is already upon the earth. He lacks the power of resistance to it because he is not God.
    You will recall that in the garden of Eden, the fruit which these HUMAN creatures were warned not to consume were from the tree of "the knowledge of good and evil". God told them not to eat from it because they would die (spiritually) in the day they did.
    Why do you suppose this was?

    Satan told them that "They would not die" that (paraphrasing) if they ate it they would "become like Gods", the implication being that God was "holding out on them" and also lying to them to prevent them from "being like God", a position which God was jealously, and selfishly guarding.

    Was Satan telling them the truth?

    It does not appear so judging by the present condition of the world. So far you atheists for all your brimming over with goodness, hospitality, and loving kindness have not yet managed to save the world from all the evil that is in it, the thing that you atheists keep pointing to as evidence there is no God.
    To hear you tell it, the only goodness in the world is here on account of the atheists.

    Since only a thing which is "good" and PURE would be worthy of worship, we would all have to conclude that the true objects of worship should be the atheists themselves if their claims of being without sin and perfect in every way at all times is true. I most emphatically am NOT saying they are! You might! One might expect you to. Not me.

    Either they are without sin or not. IF they are without sin, as you are asserting, then they must be Gods themselves. For I have never known a man for which something couldn't be found amiss about him. You certainly are having an easy enough time of it with me. But somehow that just doesn't seem to go with the description you give of yourself "caring about community, the planet, and the human condition, etc."
    Chuckle. Chuckle.

    But you really don't expect me to believe that your haughtiness and scathing estimation of Christianity as well as me is a sign of your moral perfectness do you?
    And if you are willing or able to admit that you are in all likelihood no more perfect than anyone else, then what do you propose to do with those imperfections? Ignore them as though they don't matter? That isn't what you seem to think about the lack of perfection in those who profess Christianity.
    Would it suit you better if they would all continue to be the sinful lowlifes you say they are if only they would just denounce Christ and embrace the evil they do in order to keep people like yourself from calling them hypocritical?

    I don't think you are in a good position to do that if are trying to convince me that you have no sin and yet are not trying to present yourself as more GODLIKE than they are. In that case you are either perfect or you are a hypocrite yourself for trying to convince people that you have no sin.
    Really now. Your slip is showing.


    The point is that man was not equipped as God was to handle the knowledge of good and evil in his present state for the simple reason that he was NOT God and could not be regardless of what the serpent said.

    You are trying to convince me that you are perfect, ie without sin. What doofus out there would believe that?


    So isn't it safe to conclude that man introduced sin into the world be "opening his eyes" to the knowledge of good and evil when in fact he was not equipped to? God knew of good and evil. But God was God. Man is only man.
    Do you see the difference? Man is man and God is GOD. How much difference do you suppose there is between the two?
    Apparently little as far as you are concerned, being perfect (without sin) and all that. It's too bad that you and another atheist weren't in the garden of Eden. It would have saved mankind a lot of grief.
    Eat the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil and still live as only God could do? No sweat for atheist man!

    The bugaboo there is that according to you there is no God to begin with.
    But that would include YOU and your "perfect" atheist companions also wouldn't it?

    So tell me. How is it that you are perfectly without sin and not God at the same time?

    But wait a minute. Didn't you tell me a while back you weren't an atheist?
    Yes I believe you did.

    And I quote:



    So what am I to "assume" from the statement you just made at the top?:

    You are at once denying the words of Christ, ie calling HIM a liar and at the same time saying that the entire Bible is a "sorry business" which is nothing but a lie.

    If those aren't the words of an atheist ( a 'decent non-believer' )then what are they? Because they certainly aren't the words of a believer. You've just said so yourself.

    Really. If you are trying to make a joke out of all this, couldn't you at least try to be consistent in the lies, whoops, I meant stories you tell.

    I almost forgot. I am not permitted to call you a liar. Only youskys have been given official clearance to do that.
     
  9. FreshAir

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    good and bad people are Christians, being a Christian doesn't make one good.. if it did we would not have Christian preachers molesting children and would not have those in the church trying to cover it up

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    Wekk he gave me the peace not to whack others, lol . People Ive debated with in my past that exhibit the same hateful tone and wording your thread serves up in large doses are only interested in hate-speech and/or in trolling. I don’t think you are asking a question but rather your making a statement of hate. Troll elsewhere for victims, please.

    reva
     
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    So you couldn't come up with a serious answer either huh?

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    It is a normal reaction to atheists even though they are such a small group. Look at the last century where atheist regimes murdered more people than the Plague.
     
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    Yes indeed! Not only that most wars are fought for secular reasons and most and murders are commited by non-christians.

    reva
     
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    Here's a bunch:

    http://www.washedred.com/changed_lives/
     
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    If you mean Hitler and Stalin they were raised Christian. And authoritarianism is ALWAYS conservative no matter what religion they practice, if any.
     
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    Once again you try to forward the false premise that non-believers think they are without fault.
    I challenge you to QUOTE anyone who has said this or anything remotely like it.
    You are going to find crank's quotes inconsistent when you pull one of my posts and attribute it to him. I am the one you are quoting that says he is not an atheist.
    Another dishonest train wreck by you.
     
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    They rejected that faith, and in the case of Stalin implemented atheism.
     
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    Despots come in both flavors, believers and non.
    Hitler used religion as a way to cynically motivate the population.
    Stalin used atheism the same way.
    Neither reflects on the belief systems themselves.
     
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    Any data or actual confirmation of these claims, or should we just accept this from a "trustworthy" source?
     
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    Of course, MOST good deeds in the world are done by non-christians; most art poetry and music is done by non christians, most people of honor, valor and decency are non christians.

    Most of the intelligent people and most of the athletes, the beautiful and the strong are all non christians.

    Nice to be part of the moral majority! :D
     
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    i didn't say that, nor is that relevant to the OP. just MY personal experience.
     
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    Make up your mind.

    I'll make a list and youskys can each state whether you are "a believer", an atheist, a "Jew" or whatever it may be.
    As I said, it's hard keeping you all straight when you are all hurling rotten eggs at the same time.

    1. Cranky............

    2. BruceAlmighty..........

    3. PearlPureheart.........

    4. Pickatchoo...............Doesn't count. (She's not roooking:wink:)


    I ASSumed that since you ALL were attacking Christianity, (the topic under discussion) that you were either

    atheist
    Buddhist
    Jewish
    atheist Jewish
    Jewish athiest
    Buddhist Jewish
    Jewish Buddhist
    Jewish Jewish
    Marxist
    communist purest
    "Jews for Jesus" Zionist
    just gay

    or something else.

    Which is it? Try to be clear. There is no need to go into all that stuff about what a deplorable person I am and how you loathe anyone who takes the bible for what it purports to be.


    Also, I think it is a little unfair for me to devote so much time in trying to make myself clear to you when all you give in return is a few lines about what a deplorable person I am and how you loathe anyone who takes the bible for what it purports to be. That's the one thing you HAVE made clear.......ABUNDANTLY clear.

    What you should do however is state clearly enough (so all of us idiot Christians and fundamentalist lunatics can understand your genius) and then explain why.

    You may choose to just insult me continuously although that is as unlikely to produce any change in the way I think, believe or act as it has been for me to get you to understand why I do.

    I already know that none of you have any intention whatsoever of taking under consideration anything other than that which you already thought and believed before you began your assaults. So there is no need to waste more time trying to emphasize that your adherence to your own "faiths" (whatever things you believe about the origin and nature of the universe which has yet not been proven) is as solid as the rock of Gibraltar and perhaps twice as hard.


    Surely you can see why I might make "ignorant assumptions" about your intentions concerning your attacks on me and the Christian faith in general because AS YOU HAVE ADMITTED, this thread was SUPPOSED to BE about How Being a Christian has Made You a Better Person. Since none of you have stated explicitly that you are Christian, and nothing about how it has made any of you more perfect than you already are, then I was sort of left with the impression that the only motive you would have for being here is to pounce on anyone who did.

    Can you see how that would strike me as a little odd since the Original Poster is a self professed JEW AND and ATHEIST............(who also argues for Same Sex Marriage and other Liberal agendas elsewhere)....................and how NONE of YOU have said a single word about how "being a Christian has made you a better person"? How many more ways should I phrase it before there is no more room left for you to interpret it other way than that which is intended and not something which you have pulled out of who knows where?

    Instead, all you have done up to this point is attack me for being a "hypocrite" (among other dirty things) BECAUSE I say I am a Christian and also have made a case in it's defense.

    Now put your thinking caps on children and bear with me for a moment.

    Can you understand how I MIGHT (just maybe) get the idea that this thread was NOT started for the purpose of any of you to tell anyone, anything, about "how being a Christian has made you a better person",

    RATHER, the intention was to draw someone (like me, if not me in particular) to this thread for the specific purpose of trashing not only me, but the Christian faith, and thus detain me in giving a defense for it.

    Can you even vaguely see how I might get that idea?

    Do not ASSUME that I did not suspect this before I accepted the challenge. For IN FACT, I EXPECTED the same from the outset. However I chose to entertain your monkeyshines for purposes of my own, namely to help OTHERS who might be curious enough to investigate to see the rationality of Christianity as opposed to the FUTILITY and irrationality of other religious systems like Atheism and Buddhism, and the out right Machiavellian sadism of JUDAISM.

    Now we may continue as before, but only on the condition that

    1. You each state clearly what your religion is (Atheism is also a religion since it is nothing more than the faith in the absurdity of existence) AND what your excuses are for believing in them before assailing me for mine.

    2. Do not attempt to limit me by insisting that I confine my remarks solely to one thing or another as for instance "how Christianity has made me a better person" so that you can simply deny whatever it is I have to say and then proceed to say anything you want to no matter how far afield it is. That's hardly fair is it?

    3. Answer at least as many questions which I may pose to you as you expect in return from me. No evasive maneuvers, no run-arounds.

    4. Address me with the same respect that you expect for yourselves.

    5. Cease stating one thing about yourself or your position only to give a statement which is contrary to the original a page or two later. I do not intend to waste more time trying to unravel what you may mean when you say one thing and then the opposite and then looking them all up to "prove" anything to you.

    6. State your position clearly and in no ambiguous terms or those with which you have given yourself the liberty of shifting the meaning from one time to another. For example, if you want to say you are a JEW, fine. But when you do, for the sake of avoiding a misunderstanding, or inserting confusion into the mix, make it clear WHICH DEFINITION of "JEW" you are using at the time in which you mention it, ie whether it is with reference to a racial Jew, a religious Jew, a cultural Jew, an ethnic Jew, or a political Jew. There are important distinctions which must be made clear at the outset, otherwise the person you are giving the term to may be mistaken in which one you are referring to and say something which may apply to only one of those definitions and not all of them simultaneously.


    7. Try to elaborate on what you have said at least to some extent to which I have on what I have said. This all giving and getting nothing in return but spite laced indictments on my character is waxing old. I must warn you that unless you deliver on these items I will leave you to carry on this bash alone. And how much fun would that be for any of you without someone here to dump on. That would leave you all just to exchange remarks about how much you despise "right wing Christian fundamentalists" or to conspire as how best to rid the world of them.


    8. If any of you feel that you cannot comply to the above requests, then please restrict yourselves to telling everyone how being a Christian has made YOU a better person. This isn't just about me you know.
    If you are one of those non-Christians who believe that you have no sin (do no wrong, commit no moral infractions, violate no moral imperatives) then a simple statement to that effect will suffice to set the record straight.



    I think that about covers it at least for now. If I think of anything else to add to the list I'll write those out later.

    Until then, if I return to only find more of the same then don't expect a reply from me no matter how ridiculous or inflammatory it may be. I will leave you all to stew in your own juices by yourselves.
     
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    The Bible was not a popularity contest.

    Most of the Prophets were cordially hated by most of the Jews, as well they should have been. They were almost constantly telling them they were doing wrong, about to be smitten, etc. There are even sayings about this, "prophet in his own land" etc.

    I can't help but think that Jesus would probably have been an alright guy to be around. Anybody who took the general views he expressed in the Beatitudes was probably a nice person, no matter what else he may (or may not) have said.

    I think I would have liked David too, and probably Solomon. Both were powerful kings who had the common touch and a liking for the ladies

    10 years of religious education made me a much better person. It made me a dyed in the wool complete and utter atheist. I think I'd be really (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up if I had all the bull(*)(*)(*)(*) religion those meanass jerkwad nuns and priests tried to shove down my throat to deal with.
     
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    That's what Christians claim. But Christians lie.

    "Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man."

    That was the Jesuit motto, alleged to be attributed to Francis Xavier, the co-founder of the Jesuit Order. The implication is that the best opportunity to indoctrinate a person in a lifetime of belief and devotion to religious dogma is when they are young.
     

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