The Incredible Shrinking Jesus

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    [video=youtube;eu2dSmLbh88]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu2dSmLbh88[/video]
     
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    O....KAY.....so you like to play Dungeons and Dragons and dress up at Renascence Fairs?

    Doth Mother know you weareth her drapes?

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    I've always wondered what the past members of the AV club do when they graduate.
     
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    LOL!!!

    OH MAN!!!

    You REALLY got me laughing with that!!! LOL!!!

    Thanks for the fun...I appreciate good humor!!

    AboveAlpha...p.s...100 Taco's for $100...this ought to be sufficient sustenance to carry us through the Dr. Who Marathon.
     
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    I don't google anything, I duck it online (duckduckgo.com because this search won't be tracked).

    The classification of humans as apes is accepted by many because they reject the biblical classification. Like to say, the bible classifies bats as birds, while biologists classify bats as mammals. there is the option to accept any one of these two classifications.

    As a bible follower, to me and many bible followers, humans are not classified as apes.

    That many religious denominations accept the classification of humans as apes is similar to many scientists (even evolutionists) believing in God and celebrating Christmas. So, you are not saying anything special when you say that the Vatican accepts evolution or similar. What it counts in a religious person who really follow the biblical doctrines is to overcome the silly ideas invented by scientists regarding our origin, existence and classification as a species.

    Humans classified as apes is your accepted classification and that is how you see it. However, I can see that by fact some defects in our chromosomes can lead the human body to acquire "ape" physical and functional characteristics, like a "simian crease" in the hands, low capacity of intellect, short period of life (around 40 years like apes) etc.

    On the other hand, neither by natural causes nor by lab tests, there is no record that defects in chromosomes can cause an ape to acquire human characteristics.

    This is telling you that the process has been always on reverse. The several ancient "legends" saying that by certain events in nature men became ape alike creatures, and these legends come from several parts of the world. What they saw was that several humans suffered chromosomes defects caused perhaps by contamination of water or environment in general, that caused the offspring to be born like monkeys.

    These ancient legends are based in facts because such is what is observed today when some chromosomes in humans are affected by some reason.

    If you have anything against the ancient legends that say that humans became apes (monkeys, gorillas, orangutans, and all those animals classified as "apes", then deny here the current observation of chromosome defects causing the human body to acquire simian crease, low capacity of intellect like monkeys, short life spam, etc.

    Science itself corroborates this fact observed with human chromosomes.
     
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    Look....the entire debate about whether or not Evolution is a reality ended when the Human Genome Project fully mapped out the Human Genome.

    This along with thousands upon thousands of various species fully Mapped Genomes including ALL APES....has allowed us upon a Molecular and Atomic Level to have DEFINITIVE UNSHAKABLE PROOF....that all life on Earth EVOLVED from a single celled life form.

    It also allows us to see how Human's and other Great Apes shared a common ancestor in the distant past and when we look deeper at our DNA....we see the existing Genetic Codes of Reptiles, Amphibian's and Fish as all life originally came from the oceans.

    It is right there in all out Genomes and all major Religions accept this bar Baptists.

    When a Fetus develops in the womb it goes through stages where it has reptilian, amphibian and other cross species traits and this is especially shown as the Fetal Lungs operate as GILLS and are capable of extracting Oxygen from the ambionic fluid supplied to them....as the creatures we evolved from in the far distant past had GILLS as well.

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    Whoa!

    In 1999. I posted the hypothesis that we are not the out coming of a single cell becoming a macro-organism but that we are the "association" of cells forming a new organism. I based my hypothesis using different analogies like planetesimals forming a planet..

    Still, no evolutionist have found any record of single cells becoming macro-organisms, unless evolutionists are copyng MY HYPOTHESIS, but they still can't prove the process, neither by finding valid records.

    My hypothesis is based in an almost instantaneous process, based -of course- in creation.

    Funny to know that some evolutionists used these words "sudden" and "fast" in their writings when they try to explain a "sudden evolution process" that changed the species from one generation into another, something that is against the main principle invented by Darwin who claimed that Natural Selection acts "solely" by slow and favorable steps.

    So, and again, there are huge gaps from cells to monkey before your monkey becomes a human being. By this reason, the hypothesis of evolution is 100% invalid by its lack of evidence. Period.

    Sorry but the hypothesis of evolution has been wrongly classified as science, and science demands "evidence", and without evidence this hypothesis of evolution is not science but mere philosophy.

    So, when I base my hypothesis on religion and you base your ideas in philosophy, our arguments will be validated when they come closer to the truth. So far, you have nothing between the cell and the macro-organism, while their "sudden association" claimed by me is justified by the lack of records of such a process.

    Still until today, my hypothesis is the winner, even if you like it or not, because you can't prove it different.

    Do you get it now?
     
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    My mother is dead, embarrassor of the USA. I hope she met my dad.

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    Hate to burst your bubble but an example of individual cells turning into a multicellular life form happens every time a Egg Cell is Fertilized.

    In other life forms only a single cell is needed during asexual reproduction via Mitosis.

    We can right NOW take a single cell from any part of the Human Body....and designate it into becoming a STEM CELL....and then assign it to continue to split and we can even use a single cell from a man or woman and turn it into a stem cell and designate it to reproduce the assign one to be a sperm cell and the other to be an egg cell and then have them fertilize and thus we don't need both a man and a woman to create a Human Being....a single cell from either a man or woman can be used to create a Human Being.

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    Nice try. but DNA records will show you geographical data only, not so a chronological one.

    I posted the chromosomal defects causing a human being to acquire ape alike characteristics like simian crease, low capacity of intellect like monkeys, short life (40 years) like monkeys... and what is your reply? ... Lol you answered "When a Fetus develops in the womb it goes through stages where it has reptilian, amphibian and other cross species traits"... ha ha ha...

    Look, just accept the observable ape's characteristics in humans caused by chromosome defects. Now, the only way for you to validate your point is to show the same chromosome defects in a monkey making the monkey to acquire human characteristics.

    Sorry but there is no other way. I have a strong evidence and you have none.

    This is how science works.
     
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    PLEASE!!

    We ALL have family that have died.

    Don't play the wounded fool because of a joke.

    AboveAlpha

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    Carlos....you are posting absolute NONSENSE.

    If you are going to declare what you post to be a fact then provide a LINK to a source.

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    We are talking from the very beginning, when no macro-organisms existed yet. Can you understand this part? Your example implies already existing macro-organisms.

    Your example is out of the context of this part of the discussion.

    Lets go again. No macro-organisms exist in the world. According to you there was a "single cell" from which all species come from. Show the process from this single cell into a macro-organism with EVIDENCE.

    My hypothesis -based in creation- is sudden association of micro-organisms forming macro-organisms. Sudden means almost instantaneous. No records of transitional steps because the association is sudden.
     
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    What kind of link you want.

    You can learn about chromosome defects from any book related to human heredity. Just duck it online (duckduckgo.com)
     
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    Let me say it this way: I don't expect an ape is able to understand what he says.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIToZtvtznc
     
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    This process is documented at a Molecular and Atomic Level.

    More than 500 million years ago, single-celled organisms on Earth's surface began forming multi-cellular clusters that ultimately became plants and animals. Just how that happened is a question that has eluded evolutionary biologists. Now, scientists have replicated that key step in the laboratory using common Brewer's yeast, a single-celled organism.

    The yeast "evolved" into multi-cellular clusters that work together cooperatively, reproduce and adapt to their environment--in essence, they became precursors to life on Earth as it is today.The results are published in this week's issue of the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS).
    "The finding that the division-of-labor evolves so quickly and repeatedly in these 'snowflake' clusters is a big surprise," says George Gilchrist, acting deputy division director of the National Science Foundation's (NSF) Division of Environmental Biology, which funded the research.

    "The first step toward multi-cellular complexity seems to be less of an evolutionary hurdle than theory would suggest," says Gilchrist. "This will stimulate a lot of important research questions."It all started two years ago with a casual comment over coffee that bridging the famous multi-cellularity gap would be "just about the coolest thing we could do," recalled Will Ratcliff and Michael Travisano, scientists at the University of Minnesota (UMN) and authors of the PNAS paper.

    LINK...http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblo...single-to-multi-cell-clusters-discovered.html

    This is DEFINITIVE PROOF showing how Single Celled Organisms evolved into Multiple Celled Organisms AS SCIENTISTS ACTUALLY REPRODUCED THE EVOLUTIONARY PROCESS!!!

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    So....your telling me you don't know what your saying?

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    LOOK at what I posted to you.

    We have actually reproduced the evolutionary process in the lab.

    It is DEFINITIVE PROOF....and no longer subject to debate.

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    Big deal? Even if it is true it doesn't really prove anything beyond the theory of evolution.
     
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    You can't possibly be this naive can you?

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    Open minded is a better term.
     
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    I would not associate that term with you in this instance.

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    No - I'm telling you if you see in human beings apes then you would say sentences like "So....your telling me you don't know what your saying?". My experience is there are two different kinds of people in the world: The climbers and the mudderers. A climber tries to reach a higher level. A mudderer brings everyone down to his level and thinks this level is high.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DHecFcDhbw
     
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    So you are the Mudderer King?

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