Why Government Cannot Fix Alleged Gender Pay Gap

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  1. Taxcutter

    Taxcutter New Member

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    It’s too much driven by individual choices.

    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-04-08/government-can-t-fix-real-gender-pay-gap

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    “…almost all of the gap is driven by choice of occupation, and working hours, with an emphasis on working hours.”

    “…in many high-paying professions, how much you get paid is a function of how much you work … but not a linear function. There are outsized rewards to working the kinds of hours that make it very hard to care for a family.”

    “…demanding …“family friendly policies,” a vague term that ultimately seems to mean that people who leave at five to pick up the kids should be entitled to the same opportunities and compensation as people who stay until 9 to finish the client presentation.”

    “There is no paradise where women enjoy prestige work at high salaries for part-time efforts, nor where men and women all head home after 37 hours with no impact on their careers.”

    Taxcutter notes:
    Well, maybe Cuba.

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    “…in all sorts of professions, availability really matters. It matters even if you’re less productive after 60 hours than you were at 40 hours, because a client would rather talk to a slightly burned-out lawyer who knows everything about the case, and can explain it whenever is convenient for the client, than to one of two lawyers who know most of what is going on in the case, and are only available when they don’t have family duties.”

    “To state the meaningful solutions is to reject them.”

    “Subsidized day care is not going to help anyone work 14 hours a day.”


    Taxcutter notes:
    Here is the REAL agenda. A bonanza for trial lawyers.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/04/08/equal-pay-tax-cuts-minimum-wage-column/7433171/


    quote:
    “The chief beneficiaries of the latest "equal pay" legislation would be lawyers and government bureaucrats…”

    “…changing how discrimination lawsuits are conducted, dramatically increasing the potential payouts for plaintiffs and their lawyers, facilitating class action suits and making it much more difficult for employers to defend themselves.”

    Taxcutter says:
    Automate or move the work offshore where this nonsense cannot touch you.

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    “…unlimited punitive damage awards…”

    “Companies hardly need more government red tape, but more disturbingly government "guidelines" collected today could easily become regulations and mandates in the future…”

    “How would businesses react to the new legal risks and administrative burdens? Likely they would seek to reduce their exposure to lawsuits by limiting the number of employees and adopting more rigid, one-size-fits-all compensation practices. That's bad news for women who value flexible work arrangements and are looking for work today.”


    Taxcutter says:
    Any law that increases litigation or regulation tends to decrease American economic competitiveness and should be viewed as being the work of the devil.
     
  2. Sanskrit

    Sanskrit Well-Known Member

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    Puzzling to me in how mobilized the left has become on purported "corporate welfare," yet they are apparently just fine with "lawyer welfare," and don't realize that the plaintiff's bar may actually be the most powerful lobby on the left, far more entrenched and meddling in our legal system than any Kochs or other irrational leftist boogeymen. Maybe they just really really love lawyers and get a moist tear of sympathy every time a TV lawyer (almost 100% Democrats) ad comes on.
     
  3. Taxcutter

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    the trial lawyers are big contributors to the Democrat Party.

    the "profession" has been hammered since the bank incident. This should help pump it back up.
     
  4. Pred

    Pred Well-Known Member

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    Its like FREE money. Pay a few 1000 new lawyers to go research and investigate stuff for a couple of years. Translation=sit around and do nothing on the tax payer dime.

    There are too many factors involved to just pay everyone equally. Find me two people with identical experience & skills.
     
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    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    Well if it passes HR departments will know the risks and devalue female labor accordingly. Look what happened to disabled employment after they got similar "protections". Way down with no change in sight. But it may win the Dems some soft head votes to lie so they are going for it.
     
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    The gender gap does not exist.

    If so, then how come I can't earn 500/hr as a model, or high tip earning waitress, now that is real discrimination!
     
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    Here I thought conservatives supported the family. I, a bisexual, will support the family in your stead.
     
  8. Burz

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    So sad, too bad, you've thrown away your values for the free market.
     
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    there is no pay gap....


    libs love to compare a 40 y.o. male (who started working at 25) with a 40 y.o. female (who started working at 25) in the same type of job and point out that the male makes xx% more than the woman as PROOF there is a gender pay gap, despite having the same education, etc.


    What it doesn't show is the male has worked for 15 years straight, and the female took multiple months of leave due to pregnancies and child birth and in total, has only worked 13.5 years
     
  10. OldManOnFire

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    In 2006, the average man employed full-time worked 8.4 hours per work day, and the average woman employed full-time worked 7.7 hours per work day.

    This fact alone helps explain the income variance which is about 9% higher for men than women.

    Years ago in my corporate world experiences there were never gender pay gaps. Every job position had a pay scale and every employee in that job description earned within that pay scale...higher or lower depending on tenure and performance. I'm sure there are violations in our lovely little world but IMO 90% of this is political BS...
     
  11. Sanskrit

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    Another factor in the wage gap lie is the BLS stats themselves. They calculate a "full time worker" as anyone above 30 hours, which puts many part time second income women working 32 hours in the same box as a primary breadwinner 50 hour a week man. Men still make up a strong majority of primary family earners and women a strong majority of second household incomes.

    The stats also aggregate apples and oranges in many job categories. For example in "financial services" they account the receptionist or sales assistant (mostly females) sitting in the comfortable office all day on modest salary with the actual commission insurance or investment salesperson (mostly male) working straight commission, taking much more risk and stress, and earning more generally because of those factors. There are tons of holes like this in the job categories.

    Then we have the gigantic restaurant/hospitality/service industry, where wait staff (vastly more females) are calculated as lower paid than the backroom min wage dishwashers and cooks (vastly more male) because the tips that comprise most of the wait staff are underreported, and wait staff gets a lower nominal wage than minimum wage. Upshot is the cute female bartender is making 70k a year yet is accounted as lower paid than the dishwasher in the back making minimum wage.

    I give Obama mostly a pass as being no worse than prior presidents, but on this, he is the worst ever. I have never seen a President constantly using his office as a campaign platform for the entire term the way Obama does. This leads to him spouting out feminist propaganda as fact, and it will severely tarnish his legacy in future objective analyses of his administration... not that it wouldn't be tarnished due to other factors, but the "propaganda statements from the Oval Office" is where Democrats definitely outfoul Republican presidents and Obama is the worst in this.
     
  12. Taxcutter

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    The whole issue is too things:

    1. A diversion from Hussein Obama's horrendous record and
    2. A payoff to the trial lawyers.

    Nothing more.
     
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    Men don't have to take time off from work to have kids in any world, nor do women.
     
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    Ummm...if women have kids, that cuts into a their job.
     
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    Ummm... doesn't change that when women have kids, it's their -choice- to do so.
     
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    It's their choice. Never said it wasn't but that choice will cut into their pay hence why they don't make more than men. It's not bigotry. It's simply a dimorphism issue.
     
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    The STUPIDITY of the fascists.

    They expect people to believe in an imaginary pay gap....which presumes that woman are paid less but do equal work.

    EVERYONE that isn't stupid enough to be an Obama voter sees the HUGE flaw in that argument.

    If women are stupid enough to work for 23% less, then why haven't the employers fired all the men and boosted their profits by that 23% by hiring only women?

    Duh.
     
  19. Taxcutter

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    If the government is too stupid to see the difference between a 32 hour/week worker and a 60 hour/week worker - calling them both "full time workers" because they both work more than 30 hours/week, how can you expect government to "fix" the problem?
     
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    There are plenty of unemployed people, we don't need anyone working 60 hours a week. Be thankful they don't put a blade in your gut.
     

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