The Muslim problem

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  1. Coolia

    Coolia New Member

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    IMO, Muslims would improve their image in the West if they became as enraged over 'honor killings', terrorist attacks, and stoning adulterers as they do over teachers naming teddy bears 'Mohammad', cartoonists drawing Mohammad, or other stupid innocuous garbage like that.

    I hear liberals come to their defense all the time saying that most of them are peaceful; that it's not ALL Muslim countries that practice genital mutilation of women, etc.

    The problem with the peaceful ones is that they stand by silently and do nothing about the ones who AREN'T.
     
  2. Burz

    Burz New Member

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    They're too busy dealing with your nonsense to do anything about violent terrorists.
     
  3. mutmekep

    mutmekep New Member

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    About terrorism : have you even been in Europe?
    About honor killings : Have you ever be in Crete, Sicily or Corsica ?

    [​IMG]

    from the blast in the center of Athens earlier this week
     
  4. Flemish Conservative

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    Extremely funny. But really a rather pathetic attempt to look for equation where none exists.
     
  5. Spiritus Libertatis

    Spiritus Libertatis New Member Past Donor

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    Muslims need to just moderate their religion like most Christians do. They need to stop following their book so literally and start becoming the hypocritical, willfully-ignorant religious types we see in the West today, the ones who just try to ignore half their holy book so they don't have to deal with all the unpleasant things it tells them to do.

    That, however, might take a while, given that most of them are governed by Islamist governments.
     
  6. Burz

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    They were hypocritical and willfully ignorant before they were liberalized, and suggesting that they had ever studied much of the Bible (new testament, the part that is supposed to be relevant) is dubious at best. I don't really even consider them sentient or conscious.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Not ignoring. Much of the Old Testament is abbrogated by the new.

    Ephesians 2
    15 by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

    Hebrews 8
    13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

    Romans 10
    4Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.(*)

    Romans 7
    6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

    2 Corinthians 3
    13We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance was fading away. 14But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.

    Galatians 3 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

    23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ[h] that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law(*)

    Matthew 5:
    38 You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.
    39 But I say to you, Do not resist the evil man [who injures you]; but if anyone strikes you on the right jaw or cheek, turn to him the other one too.
    40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your undershirt (tunic), let him have your coat also.
    41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two [miles].
    42 Give to him who keeps on begging from you, and do not turn away from him who would borrow [[a]at interest] from you.
    43 You have heard that it was said, You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy;
    44 But I tell you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
     
  8. saintmichaeldefendthem

    saintmichaeldefendthem New Member Past Donor

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    This is the crap that skews the whole discussion on Islam, the dishonesty in equating Islam with Christianity as if they are both equal in vice, violence, and oppression. It's pure horse crap, but people like you continue to promote it despite substantial and compelling evidence to the contrary. It's dishonest and it's wrong to perpetuate such a lie.

    1. Women are oppressed in countries dominated by Islam, not having standing in court, the ability to own land, drive a car, vote, or control their lives. This isn't close to being true in Christian nations.
    2. Violence in the name of Islam receives scant protest if any, contrasted with the widespread condemnation by Christians on any act of violence committed in the name of Christianity. Violence doesn't receive acceptance in Christianity like it does in Islam.
    3. Christian dominated nations respect the right NOT TO BE CHRISTIAN and do not persecute other faiths. Compare this to Islamic countries where freedom of religion is an estranged concept and Christians regularly are persecuted, imprisoned, and murdered.
    4. Christians do not believe in "holy war". The message of the gospel is a message of peace, a message of love, and a message of salvation. Nowhere are Christians called into a jihad of any sort.
    5. Christians believe in religion, but not in religious law. Muslims believe that religion should govern all aspects of society, a theocracy of sorts.

    So stop with the stupid and dishonest tactics of pretending like Christianity is just as bad as Islam. It's a lie and you know it.
     
  9. Brewskier

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    The majority of Muslims want Islam to advance in non-Muslim areas. Many of the so-called "peaceful Muslims" aren't terribly upset about the actions that their more extreme brothers and sisters take because they know that the cause of Islam is being helped.

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    That's a problem, because they believe their book was never written. They believe it existed in heaven with Allah since the very beginning, and that it was delivered line by line, and never altered. Most Christians believe that the Bible is the "inspired" word of God, and clearly it has been changed numerous times over the past 2000+ years. Also, the commands for violence are a lot more explicit in the Qur'an than they are in the Bible, and the more violent passages were revealed towards the end of Muhammad's life, which are considered to be the most relevant verses for Muslims today. It's harder to moderate the former than it is the latter.
     
  10. Coolia

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    The Muslim motto should be:

    'Tolerance for me, not for thee'.
     
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    guttermouth Banned

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    the quran actually says its ok to lie if it helps spread islam
     
  12. Goomba

    Goomba Well-Known Member

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    No, it does not.
     
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    i dont believe you
     
  14. Goomba

    Goomba Well-Known Member

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    And why should we believe you when you have not provided any evidence to back up your claim?
     
  15. saintmichaeldefendthem

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    Goomba Well-Known Member

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    saintmichaeldefendthem New Member Past Donor

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    I supplied the appropriate link. Your laziness is your problem, not mine.
     
  18. Goomba

    Goomba Well-Known Member

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    All you have to do is provide the verse. If you are so adamant that the Qur'an says "its [sic] ok to lie to help spread islam [sic]," then you can easily provide us with the verse.
     
  19. Aldric

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    i think that islamisation would goes just fine if saudi arabia let the million or more christian Philippineses workers have a few church.

    yet.No amount of political correct marketing is going to change the fact that we judge a tree on its fruits.

    Muslims can go to Rome.
    Non-muslims can't go to Mecca
    That their tolerance.

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  20. Goomba

    Goomba Well-Known Member

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    Should the US allow non-Americans to open up political offices and buildings around the country?
     
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    saintmichaeldefendthem New Member Past Donor

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    We don't discriminate based on religion. You do. Can I dumb it down any further?
     
  22. Goomba

    Goomba Well-Known Member

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    So is that a yes or no?
     
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    None sense. We are talking about religious place, not embassy or political party HQ.
     
  24. Goomba

    Goomba Well-Known Member

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    We are talking about an Islamic state (home to some of the holiest places in Islam) that fuses politics and religion; religion and politics is thus one.
     
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    You mean that the home of islam essentially still refuse any kuffars (unbelivers) to set foot on their holyland.
    Does politic and religion also merge as one in "home of islam" AKA mosques around the world ?
    Do you expect to be able as a Muslim to set a foot in the holy vatican city ? What give you more right to do this than a christian to set a foot in Mecca ?
     

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