Germany supply Ukraine with Oil and Gas

It's absolutely disgraceful what the EU did to Greece. Their "austerity" (make the people pay for the sums they plundered) scam stole so much from the poor that people are actually dying. The Greek government should just boycott the "debts" which they claim are the debts of the people, but they won't do that, instead they continue the parasitic process, probably because they're in on it.

 

Agreed!! It's good that somebody speaks out about this particular waste of US taxpayer funds.

Many people do, if it's to feed hungry Americans or purposes like that, but when it comes to providing weapons to AQ in Syria, or for the oppressive and illegitimate military regime in Egypt, or to Israel for their ethnic cleansing, or the NSA to collect everyone's communication with no confirmed national security advantage etc.. which they have nothing bad to say about it. They don't even know the total sums that even spent, because it's top secret, yet even the amount we know about now is impossible to justify.

 

Those states were unproftable and had no stable economy. We bring them back in shape now.

 

Before joining EU? Or after?

Answering this question correctly will allow to assess correctly a promise to

 

People will come into their right mind and feeling about all those business manipulators and quit EU and NATO.

 

before th EU we had constant chaos and war in europe, never before we had stability and prosperity like now.

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yeah sure, quit EU. And what then? be a pathetic small country under the heel of greater powers? No european country can stay alive as single nation in the 21st century. We need to be united. And NATO is a good thing, since it generates security. United we stand, divided we fall. Its that easy.

 

Who's more profitable? Only the selected crony banks and corporations who received the money are more profitable. The countries and their people aren't. Like in Greece. Are they not still suffering the same austerity terms? How come they're negotiating yet another bailout?

What have the EU done for Ukraine so far, besides help the fascists take over the country in a violent coup de'tat, and subsequently quash the rebellion against them? They forced Ukraine to NOT take 15 billion that Russia offered (and they weren't collecting on their gas bills anyway) with no fatal austerity strings attached.. What did the EU give, and what do they offer, and under what terms?

 

That's the best way to fight with such a crisis. Are you an EU minister? They would be glad about this method.

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/tgm/table.do?tab=table&init=1&plugin=1&language=en&pcode=tec00115

I would buy this 'explanation' a couple of years ago. But for now I don't believe in it. There is just no reason to believe... unless you don't see any problems around of course.

Thanks for a chat. It was amusing.

 

So Norway and Switzerland are really suffering, are they?

I'm very much a supporter of European integration and the EU (although not an uncritical one), but it is ludicrous to say that it would be impossible to prosper outside the EU.

 

Are you kidding me? Nobody in greece suffers. You want see suffering? Then go Somalia or North Korea. Oh poor greeks can´t afford a Playstation 4 at the moment Cry me a river. Its simple math, you can only spend the money you have. And we teach them this lesson now. So far it works, greece is recovering.

East germany went through harder times after the reunion.

What we offer Ukraine? Freedom, economic growth and a concept for the future. Russia is a dead 3rd world country. Who want be like russia? Nobody. Russia is the reason why ukraine is what it is today. Russia had 24 years to push ukraine upwards. Russia failed...but what do i expect.

 

switzerland is a joke and forced to do what greater powers want. Germany for example shows zero respect for switzerland laws. Germany steals data from their banks, germany forces laws on switzerland and dictatest laws on them. I don´t want be a servant like switzerland. Even Gaddafi treated Switzerland like (*)(*)(*)(*), abducted its citizens and switzerland could do nothing. It simply has no voice in the world.

Of course you are from Belgium, a non country. You don´t know the concept and idea behind a hegemonial power and influence.

I work for a multi-national corporation which would be impossible to exist without the EU.

What would you bring up to counter Boeing without Airbus? Raise the old Dornier and Junkers out of the grave?

 

I see, all bluster and no serious thinking.

 

evrything i said was facts, deal with it. As i said you are from Belgium. I'm from Germany. Its just natural that i want achieve greater things than waffles and chocolate.

We hold the entire EU together. You guys cant even hold together your small country.

 

I mistook you for a rational person. Won't make that mistake again.

 

well too bad you aren't able to counter even one argument.

Fact is, wothout EU

we would have no Airbus

we would have no space program

we would have no protection against china or other criminal regimes

we would have no way to speak with one voice in the world

And thats just a few facts.

 

I wouldn't tell it about such well-armed nation. The decsendants of crusaders surely know how to protect their country. That's why the safest banks are not located in Germany. Us doesn't allow Germany to store its own gold in their territory, preffering to keep it in the US territory.

As for Belgium - it is a very artificial country. With the modern tendencies of splitting a divorce between french and dutch part is inevitable.

 

The problem with Belgium is that there are no Belgians.

 

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i don't confuse ESA with EU, i'm very aware that ESA is not a direct EU agency. What i tell you is, that without the formation of a EU an ESA would be impossible. After all thats the business i work in. Same goes for Airbus. Before EU all member nations were simply enemies. There was zero cooperation. Its stoneage people like you, who want that state back. You also want back some ridicilous carnival monarchy? Wait...you are from belgium. Forget about that.

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the german gold is just now brought back to germany.

Russia doesnt even have gold, How primitive.

 

Well there was in Julian Caesar's time, he said of all the Gallic tribes they were the bravest. But you're right, they are Gauls and the Flemish are Germans...and ne'er the twain shall meet.

 

Russia controls you with its gas, and its driving you people crazy. Too bad!

 

Oh get off it, the E.U. is ready to fall apart because of Germany and its policies. As for gas, Merkel has been going crazy trying to free Germany from Russia's hold, and every move Germany and the U.S. make, Russia is one step ahead of them. Too smart for them I guess, but they better watch it with the sanctions before Russia decides enough is enough and throws us all into a depression.

 

EU was a good idea, but this organization degenerated and became stupid self promoting agency without cleat purpose.

 

What are you talking about? Are you on this record again? I laughed about you the last time and i laugh about you now. You are a scource of never ending joy.

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bla bla blubb. The purpose of the EU to create one nation. A United States of Europe and i strongly support this. I see myself as European. German is only my regional heritage.