So, how long until global capitalism destroys us?

One way is for beings composed of more fundamental forms of energy to seize a higher percentage of control over world events…….

http://www.near-death.com/storm.html#a04

 

Yes……. there is a great deal of sense of whining because the level of corruption here in North America is considerably less than it is in most third world nations.

Perhaps the greatest example of government being controlled by business………. is Communist China……where environmental regulations ….and the rights of workers….... to whatever degree they exist…….. are almost totally ignored!!!!!

 

* Do away with debt money, its a monopolized industry particularly at the top end - central banks, feds, IMF, world bank and BIS ect. https://www.positivemoney.org/
* Streamline regulations that hold back small business
* Reduce political donation to small set amount per person.
* Use a sliding scale tax system on business not on wage earners. Keeps competition high which encourages innovation and helps stop monopolies.

Basically what most people complain about with capitalism is that the governments are unable/ willing to ensure a competitive market place for people to operate it in. They give tax breaks, handouts to some but not others and allow 'To Big To Fail' to happen. Govt cant even do its primary job yet can somehow can manage all the means of production?

 

Global capitalism will collapse when something better comes along, don't hold your breath for that.

 

WHo is we?

 

At this point there are only three ways to move society beyond the death spiral capitalism/corporatism has caused or at very least heavily contributed to.

1. Advance technology to the point that there is no human want. See Venus Project and Zeitgeist Movement

2. Make the rich and powerful hurt just as much as the poor every time a decision is made that causes harm. See national and international worker strikes.

3. Take the political power and resources out of the hands of the few and put it in the hands of everyone. See direct democracy and resource redistribution.

 

Interesting but will those things works? This is what I see as a problem with what you propose:

1. Advance technology to the point that there is no human want. See Venus Project and Zeitgeist Movement= Without want then what is the driving force of innovation and progress? Only with need is there advancement.

2. Make the rich and powerful hurt just as much as the poor every time a decision is made that causes harm. See national and international worker strikes.= These strikes invariably hurt the poor that need the goods and services more then the Rich who can insulate themselves and their wealth from loss. Diversification has eliminated the threat of strikes as a viable mode of punishment to the rich.

3. Take the political power and resources out of the hands of the few and put it in the hands of everyone. See direct democracy and resource redistribution. = This provides a whole slew of issues for instance the tyranny of the many will cause minority's no end of trouble, take your pick homosexuals, ethnic groups in areas, or religions, all would become targets. Resource redistribution sounds great except who decides what goes where? Are you able to also eliminate corruption in the process? Also once you distribute, what is the incentive of producing things and starting businesses if you do well then what you gain is just given away and unfortunately people rarely do things only for the greater good? Resource distribution just seems far-fetched in such a large and globally interconnected world.

 

There's been capitalism since man has been around, just as there's been dumbasses predicting that capitalism is going to collapse.

 

Did you realize you couldn't articulate how exactly you see global capitalism collapsing? I was wondering since several people have asked that and you've not come back to respond.

But I'm curious. How do you view this Armageddon taking place?

 

Capitalism is Darwinism. It's always been interesting to me how you guys believe so strongly in it that you force us all to learn about it in science class but then try desperately to stop your own theory when you see it in action. Who's holding back progress now? Tisk tisk.

 

^It frightens me that people actually think like this. It shows that the human race is indeed on the verge of another totalitarian communist genocide at some point in the not too distant future. Perhaps this time in the west. How sad is it that people refuse to learn from history's past atrocities?

 

I got a good laugh from some of the speculations on this thread. Greats such as "Capitalism will eventually create a huge bubble then collapse" and "Eventually there will be no human want". Seriously how do you come up with this material? Keep it coming! Don't ever take any economics classes though, because then you'll probably lose your creative side...

 

Capitalism has collapsed many times and is now held together only at gun point. It ain't no mystery that it is the reason for a $700,000,000,000 military budget and probably an even greater amount for the domestic military.

 

The problem is not capitalism.

The problem is very wealthy and powerful entities killing the ability of smaller newer companies to compete.

Capitalism works because new and small companies are faster to adjust to a changing environment. Constant upheaval makes the playing field even. When extremely powerful groups find ways to suffocate new businesses capitalism is really just monopolism.

Of course they justify themselves in the ideal of a capitalistic world market, which is just a pathetic joke...

 

Addressing the "Eventually there will be no human want" side of it, perhaps that was a bad way of putting it. I think a better way would be to say "as technology progresses into a post-scarcity society". Impossible, you say? Well, maybe. But maybe not. The real determining factor with that is, will we be able to find a way to really use the discovery that matter and energy are interchangeable? So far, all we've got is nuclear power and nuclear bombs. But nuclear science is still relatively new. What if a way were found to turn ANY mass into energy? Well right there, we would have unlimited energy. But, what if we then found a way to turn energy back into matter, and could create the elements we wanted out of it? Sure it's science fiction, for now. But many of the things we take for granted today were science fiction less than a century ago. Given enough time, I think our chances of accomplishing this are good.

 

Capitalism has never collapsed.

 

It's collapsing in Russia as we speak. Damn, I thought unbridled capitalism was going to be Russia's salvation just a few years back. Ahhh, the miracle of the invisible hand.

 

If you honestly think Adam Smith's principal is at work in Russia, go talk to Putin and the mindboggiling amount of corruption.

Pretty desperate, try harder next time.

 

Adam Smith's 'principal' is the blueprint for corruption. If you don't believe me, open your eyes.

 

Capitalism is now synomymous with corporatism?? What??

The definitions of the 2 words are:

Capitalism: 1.free-market system: an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a free competitive market and motivation by profit.

Corporatism: 1.running of state by large organizations: a system of running a state using the power of organizations such as businesses and labor unions that act, or claim to act, for large numbers of people.

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Corporatism is a condition that can only exist in the absence of republican law that prevents the government from becoming a partner in crime with businesses. This is a condition that can only be brought about by the activities of leftists like yourself.

You want positive government?? You got it... the government is no longer constrained by the rule of law - what do governments do when they don't have behave themselves?? They engage in corruption, rob the treasury, bailout their buddies, and devise ways to convince people like you that it is all for your own good.

Were you supportive of all of Obama's bailouts?? That isn't capitalism, that is corporatism; it is crony capitalism... at its core, it is theft and corruption. Yet you support it, why??

 

As for any type of collapse we are heading toward - we are going to collapse, but it isn't going to be a collapse of "capitalism", it is going to be a currency collapse. Of course the left will call it a failure of capitalism, but nothing could be further from the truth.

All of our problems can be traced back to government, and the Robber Barons who control our government. When the Robber Barons were finally able to gain control of our monetary system in 1913, it was only a matter of time before they collapsed the system entirely to kill it off, destroy our Constitution, and replace them with their top-down authoritarian rule.

They collapsed the stock market in 1929, and used that as a spring board to gain control over corporations for pennies on the dollar, and to pass into law all manner of control over the people and our economy. They've been creating booms when they want booms, and busts when they want busts for the purpose of enriching themselves and enslaving the masses.

Now today, we are nearing the "End of the Road", to take from the documentary of that name. It makes perfect sense that the Robber Barons would collapse the currency. When Richard Nixon took us off the gold standard, and abandoned the Bretton Woods agreements, all of the worlds currencies became fiat currencies.

What we're going to experience is not the collapse of capitalism - it is going to be a currency collapse, that is solely the result of government policies that have been directed by the central bankers going back decades.

[video=youtube;mx4xogHI-kQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx4xogHI-kQ[/video]

"ONE MORNING WE WILL WAKE UP AND FIND THAT WE ARE IN A VERY DIFFERENT WORLD