People on Welfare Are NOT Lazy

HaHa ... Joke all you want. When you get done make sure to get your guinea pig butt back on that hamster wheel you call a job and start making those rich pricks richer so that I can keep my benefits. Thanks!

 

With such low self esteem being shown by many career welfare recipients these days, it seems an awful thing to brag about what little can be accomplished if one makes an effort.

 

No my view of the role of government is to be the parent taking care of the needs of citizens freeing them from them and making them comfortable. But if you saw my ideas of this its BASIC comfortable support not well more than ,unless working, two hots and a cot and staying clean and having practical clothing and Medicaid. No money unless you are disabled or work then you can get a small private room. Food would be in government cafeterias a breakfast, support and maybe a lunch bag. You could live as a human being but not get a dime of cash.

 

If all I had was two hots and a cot, how would I ever be able to better myself? I'm not saying I am actively trying to better myself currently, but I do think the rich should pay enough taxes so that people like me at least have the OPTION of trying to better ourselves. Its a basic human right.

 

"...I guarantee its 14 1/2 hrs more a week than that "hero" on the yacht spends checking his portfolio."

Taxcutter says:
Are you sure? How do you suppose he got his portfolio? Probably working a lot.

 

Nah, inheritance from Daddy.

 

Not great for them - I'm aware that the OP was a satire, but if it was true then he's setting a terrible example for his family and children, they'd be better off without him and his horrible ethical example.

Right, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet just woke up one morning and found $50 million sitting in their toilet bowl

The difference is they worked to get where they are, and benefited society in the process - while in the case of the "parody guy" in the OP, other people have to work to 'keep him' where he is. And money which could be used to feed starving children in Africa, is used to support his dumb ass just because he's too lazy to work 25 hours a week.

He isn't while he's on his yacht, but he did create jobs by starting a successful business (which is why he's a billionaire) - so if he wants to kick back once in awhile and lounge on his yacht, good for him.

The gamer sitting at home isn't creating any jobs, or contributing anything - if you're referring to someone who does nothing but play games and doesn't have a job just because he's too lazy to get one and move out of his mom's basement.

Quoted for truth - thankfully most states don't allow it (at least for a person with no children, or disabilities, just choosing not to work), and kick them off the welfare train after a few months if they aren't putting in at least 20 hours a week

They had to 'choose' to work to become rich in the first place.

People who inherited their wealth are an exception, but they normally are not 'super wealthy' (I'm not aware of anyone inheriting $30,000,000,000 from mommy and daddy) - and no one that I know of idolizes Paris Hilton or Lindsey Lohan just because they're "wealthy", so that's a strawman. People like Warren Buffet or Bill Gates who benefited society and became super wealthy in the process are the ones who get admiration, and they (unlike the unemployed gamer) deserve it

Ironically they still choose to work, even though they could easily just retire.

 

I have no problem at all with the likes of Bill Gates or the fact that some have wealth which would be difficult spend in a lifetime. If it were not for Gates and Microsoft I hate to think what it would be like using computers. Before Windows using a computer was not an easy thing with a variety of languages which were not "USER Friendly" The progress (?) in computers I may not agree with as there were some aspects of Windows 3 which I miss. We had "Basic" and later "Basica" which were Dos based programing languages which was wonderful as they were easy to use and allowed write a program guickly for many technical applications. 40 years ago we never considered the possibility that we would have the graphics we accept today. Gates gave us a lot.
A friend got out of the service and went to college on the GI Bill. His wealth did not come from buying businesses, taking anything of value and going bankrupt while receiving an high salary. He started out buying small business which were going to fail, turning them around and made them grow. The size of businesses he purchased grew over time with hiring workers a big part of what he did. Some do good. He spent so much time working that it is difficult for him to just sit around doing nothing.
I do have a problem with businessmen like Romney who buy businesses, milk off the profits, sell anything and everything of value and then move the manufacturing jobs to a third world nation and sell the manufactured items at the same price as if made in this country.
I get upset with upper management that makes the wrong decisions gives themselves separation packages and bonuses while laying off workers.
These are the same people that started the move of getting rid of health care for workers. They like to blame Pres. Obama for it; but this started long before he came on the scene. Reduction of company supported.
It turns out I have been under paid most of my life and I had trained people making more than I was. Their pay was not what upset me, it was a boss that continued to tell me I was one of the highest paid people in the company. In the 50's, 60's and 70's pay was never something talked about.
It is nice to be able to blame others for us not having the things we feel we should have.

 

Personally, I don't believe government should be supplying its citizens with shelter, clothing, food or anything like that. It sounds like you want a parent, not government. People need to take care of themselves. That's life.

 

"...inheritance from Daddy."

Taxcutter says:
Rare. Check out the Fortune 400. The vast majority is first generation wealth.

 

He doesn't care. He's been baiting the entire way through the thread.

 

Clearly he/she knows nothing about wealth or how it is accumulated.

 

Nothing wrong with being on Welfare while you look for work or are trying to get new skills to be a better qualified employee.

But if you are NOT trying to get new skills and NOT looking for work and not caring for children, then one is lazy and should be grateful for my assistance.

 

I haven't spent much time on this forum since the 2012 elections, usually following only a few specific threads until they die out. Today I searched new posts for the first time in weeks. looking for a place to insert a short essay about Christie's reelection. It took a few minuteson page one to realize the thread is a year old and I might have commented already. My biography, briefly outlined, has the seeds of a rebuke to all and any unclear point can be expanded later.
1960: parents divorce before my birth, leaving bitter father in New Hampshire, mother with six siblings and parents in small apartment in Boston.
1961: born in Boston, family of 10/
1962: Grandparents and oldest uncle combine to purchase three-story, single-family house.
1966: mother quits full-time office job, leaves house tolive in three-room apartment with me on Welfare, then including surplus government food and a special doctor's prescription so I could eat steak three times per week.
1968: Father stops making child support payments. All that steak causes liver damage so it gets discontinued.
1972: mother goes off Welfare, returning to her former job, we move in with elderly great aunt who continues to work full-time despite 50% income tax for income past $6,000 per year.
1974: Mother, aunt with five-year-old illegitimate son (absentee father) and I move into four-room shack in the woods owned by oldest (unmarried) uncle. Aunt stopped working during pregnancy but never got government support or child support.
1976: Aunt marries divorced man who works for Salvation Army and takes some good stuff on every trip. She moves out.
1979: I start college with grants, loans, co-op and financial aid, move back to Boston with grandmother, oldest and youngest uncles. Youngest uncle rarely worked but never took government money at that point.
1980: Oldest uncle makes mother move to house in Boston so he can let uncle number four, his wife and three children live in the shack.

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I haven't spent much time on this forum since the 2012 elections, usually following only a few specific threads until they die out. Today I searched new posts for the first time in weeks. looking for a place to insert a short essay about Christie's reelection. It took a few minuteson page one to realize the thread is a year old and I might have commented already. My biography, briefly outlined, has the seeds of a rebuke to all and any unclear point can be expanded later.
1960: parents divorce before my birth, leaving bitter father in New Hampshire, mother with six siblings and parents in small apartment in Boston.
1961: born in Boston, family of 10/
1962: Grandparents and oldest uncle combine to purchase three-story, single-family house.
1966: mother quits full-time office job, leaves house tolive in three-room apartment with me on Welfare, then including surplus government food and a special doctor's prescription so I could eat steak three times per week.
1968: Father stops making child support payments. All that steak causes liver damage so it gets discontinued.
1972: mother goes off Welfare, returning to her former job, we move in with elderly great aunt who continues to work full-time despite 50% income tax for income past $6,000 per year.
1974: Mother, aunt with five-year-old illegitimate son (absentee father) and I move into four-room shack in the woods owned by oldest (unmarried) uncle. Aunt stopped working during pregnancy but never got government support or child support.
1976: Aunt marries divorced man who works for Salvation Army and takes some good stuff on every trip. She moves out.
1979: I start college with grants, loans, co-op and financial aid, move back to Boston with grandmother, oldest and youngest uncles. Youngest uncle rarely worked but never took government money at that point.
1980: Oldest uncle makes mother move to house in Boston so he can let uncle number four, his wife and three children live in the shack.

 

technical problems messed up the previous post.
1981: reagan cuts financial aid, forcing me to take a loan.\
1982: My refusal to register for the draft until I get a personal letter leaves me without financial aid, forcing me to exhaust my life savings and take another loan to graduate.
1983: I get the letter and register, allowing one more work-study job for my final semester.
1984: Oldest uncle marries. I graduate and begin paying back loan. I get a part-time job in the profession, supplemented by two other part-time jobs.
1985: I get a full-time job in my profession for $260 per week, rent an apartment for $250 per month, get fired, then immediately accept an unrelated job for $4 per hour.
1986: I get fired from the $4 job, get two part-time jobs and subsist for seven months, taking a $200 per week job in November to join them.
1988: I quit the full-time job and return to a former coop employer in May. With carefully planned overtime and budget strategy, my bank balance climbs from $2000 to $3000 in 86 days, to $4000 in 63 days and-painfully-to $5000 in 40 days until a sneaky move involving my aunt makes the game end.
1990: I buy a house with my mother for $112,000. With overtime cut, I take a direct selling job in November to reach my goal of earning my age (never achieved again).
1991: Frustrated at work, I add a telemarketing job from home and quit the full-time job.
1992: The commission jobs pay little. A leisurely year spent mostly at home and a fewspotty temp jobs give me an income around $3000.
1993: I return to work but the jobs are bad and the hours irregular.
1995: A summer temp job with unlimited hours in July and August gives me five nice years working whenever I wanted with a handful of intense weeks in winter and summer.
2000: Having found a woman worth marrying, I take a job with her company. They fire me the same week I get engaged.
2001: I marry, buy a 26-room house plus a three-family rental for $255,000 thanks to Barney Frank. My income still remains in the mid $20,000s with another firing while the sale was pending.
2002: Happiest yearof my life, son born, working mostly from home in Woonsocket, Rhode Island.
2006: Fired again, wrongfully arrested, tenants refuse to pay rent, lose more jobs.
2007: foreclosed, two blood clots, medication slows productivity at part-time job, frequent appointments strain full-time job.
2008: Fired from full-time job, commision job averages $2 per hour, accept job at Target for overnight differential plus minimum wage. Wife's shop closed in payment of $35,000
business loan.
2009: bankruptcy finalized. It took three years because we couldn't finish paying the lawyer.
2010: Son's Social Security (for autism and developmental disability) canceled as my income rises from $23000 to $25000 due to extra shifts. Accepted for monthly bag of groceries and quarterly food vouchers by local family services agency.
2011: Dropped by family services as income reaches $26,000, accepted for partial reimbursement for healthcare.
2012: Complications with healthcare force termination of coverage, car repossessed.
Present status: Rent paid through August, cable cut to 23 channels, internet turned off several times, heat shut off since May. Six loan sharks and overdraft fees consumed all of last paycheck, stepson starving in Trinidad, mother broke from paying the mortgage without me, stepdaughter moved out because she found someone with heat and cable who needed a roommate, father aware of troubles but still won't help.
(The youngest uncle became alcoholic after 20 years as a drunk, spent 13 years in rehab, married a disabled woman and after one blissful year they have both gone on to nursing homes.The oldest uncle retired and moved to Maine, sowe'd stop depleting him after 45 years.)

 

Think of the term "Sustainability" I have been thinking about it with reference to both national and world population. Another word I think about is "honesty" and it is something we don't see much. If politicians are willing to say we have an unemployment rate of 7 1/2% the only thing we know is that more than 10% are out of work. I am tired of hearing that President Obama doesn't know how to create jobs. Ok, so what? It's not his place to create them. I am becoming a little tired of hearing people complain about the President not having all the answers.
Medical expenses are high and its not because doctors are in the top 1% because there is a chance there may not be one with income in the top 1%.
http://www.profilesdatabase.com/resources/2011-2012-physician-salary-survey
If you really look at the pay scale of doctors it's not much higher than that of a full time worker in other fields. What are you charged by a plumber, electricians and etc? Stop and do the math, there is very little difference, if any.
A reason for high medical expenses is that we live to an older age, made possible by medicines which do not cure conditions but control them We are not living to just an older age, we are living to an older age by using drugs and procedures that are expensive. We have joint replacements which involves not only an expensive surgical procedure; but rehab and medications and possible replacement in a decade or so. I know of people in their late seventies on their second set of knees and hips. The price for a person to live into their 70's, eighties or older is expensive. We want to live to an older age and have a full life then be prepared to not have this done. The implant price for a hip may only be $13,000.00; but the price for the full procedure is $65,000.00
I need hips and knees; but other conditions will prevent me from being like I was 20 years ago Should I expect Medicare to spend over a quarter of a million dollars to replace them with the possibility hey would have to be replaced again in 10+ years. That does not include the cardiac, kidney or vascular expenses each year. When I go for lab work I try to plan it so that the "orders" from several doctors are taken care of with just one trip. I hope they charge once; but to increase income it may not be done that way. What do we expect from the government?

 

Well I'm glad to let you all I know I picked up a shift this week at my pizza delivery job, so I worked an extra 4 hours. Get off my back.

 

::SniffSniff:: Hmm.. Smells like trolling.

 

No one thinks that everyone on welfare is lazy. That's just stupid thinking that the Left has talked you into believing. Again, that's stupid.

But a LOT of welfare people are lazy. A LOT. Maybe a majority. I believe you when you say that you are not lazy. But don't be so foolish as to think that there aren't people on welfare who ARE lazy. There are lazy people everywhere, but especially on welfare, because that is the perfect attraction for the lazy, and you know it.

If you are able to try full time to find work, and you go and actually TRY, you're not lazy.
If you take food stamps (or whatever they've tried to disguise it as now, by renaming it) and you take them because if you had a job, you wouldn't make any more than you're getting on welfare or food stamps, and you're healthy, you ARE lazy.

But again, I'm not saying YOU are. People who are trying their hardest to get a job, or too sick to work or work full time, or people on Medicare because they do NOT have enough money to buy meds, or people on Social Security- these people BELONG on welfare. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

I'm going after SSI now, seriously, as a idler and slacker and apparently disabled as in disabilities visually seen by people I will have it good.

$721.00 a month for sitting on my rear end with a COLA adjustment.

Medicaid.

Food Stamps (will get some SNAP) if I want, the paperwork likely will prevent me for the amount I would get.

A Free Cell Phone thanks to a Republican started program.

Can hit up the local government and private charities for more stuff since I'm DISABLED at that point. Should snag some things there.

Heck I'll be better off then I ever was before and can still earn cash on the side to spend not telling anyone. Woot!

 

Well, don't get all greedy about it.

 

I play the poor disabled person pity card for all its worth.

 

What's bad working some time on welfare while i try to find a better job? Expecially in a time of crisis where job demand is lower. When times become better, i prolly would try to find a better employment, but even if i don't, why should people have bias towards me? Aren't you cons the ones who say people shouldn't stick their nose in other people's life and on what they do and how much they own?

 

That's what I'm saying. Once we tax someone else and the government gives me their money, it becomes mine. That's the pivotal moment when I change from a Democrat to a Republican. I think people should be benevolent enough to give me their money, so I can be independent enough to decide how to spend my new-found money.

 

This is definitely a baiting thread and I'm not gonna bite!