Firearm Training

Two of the things the leftist/progressives resent. Education and Self Reliance. Threatens the statist rice bowl (big government).

 

I see the macho types are out in force.

In the Army, I was trained in the use of more weapons (and that's what they are - weapons) than I can easily remember. I don't own one now.

By the way, calling someone a "bedwetter" counts as an insult.

 

Citing forum rules? You'll find there's no rule against generalities. Nobody insulted you directly. Moreover, if you willingly disarm yourself, that's your business and your life and has no bearing on this discussion.

 

I am favor of requiring all voters to take a test before they get into a voting booth as I am afraid of the ignorant and/or uninformed having the immense responsibility of electing ANYONE.

 

While there is some controversy on this it has been suggested the small minority of legitimate gun dealers who are corrupt may be a much more significant source than has been thought..

http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=872238&show=abstract

Naturally enough, the NRA, or Guns for Gangs Lobby as I like to call them, has consistently opposed ALL usable computerized tracing of stolen and/or illegally obtained guns, to the insane point where they even oppose a legitimate gun owner having the use of resources that would help him to recover his stolen property

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politics/2013/12/how-do-criminals-get-illegal-guns/7869/

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS22458.pdf

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...0/23/AR2010102302996.html?sid=ST2010102304311

I have anecdotal experience that suggests the more criminally oriented motorcycle gangs are a much greater source in the "Friends and Associates" area than is estimated. I will leave it to the reader to simply google 'bikers, guns' and draw their own conclusions from the plethora of information that is presented.

 

I agree that we should have firearms safety training in all of the schools, and the Eddie Eagle program is as good as it gets. When I was little, the NRA and the Boy Scouts were just facts of life. I got my first "very own gun" when I was 4. It was a little Beretta .22 short auto pistol that fit my hand well enough. This idea of waiting until age 21 is silly! In fact, to me, this whole controversy about firearms is silly, but I come from "a different world".
Some of my earliest memories are of outings with the Boy Scouts. My dad was a Scout Master. I was the troop mascot, at age 4. We took a survival trip, for a special merit badge back then. It was 2 weeks long. Every Scout had a .22 rifle and a "brick" of ammo, provided by the NRA. Most of them were on the high school rifle team. (Yea, there was a time in America when that was "normal")
Most of the Scouts were out of food and ammo by the third day. From there on out, finding food involved catching fish by hand in streams, snaring squirrels, and looking real hard for edible plants.
One evening, I went out with my dad in search of a deer. We found one, and he killed it with his .357 Mag. revolver. As he dressed the deer, he explained to me the function of all of the parts, and which ones were destroyed by the bullet. I wish every little kid could have a similar experience.
But they don't, and it's a very sad testimony of our society that people are being raised to be so ignorant these days. That we even have this expression: "The gun culture" is a stark indication of that. It's like saying that people who are generally literate are members of "The smarty culture". Firearms are ubiquitous in America, and firearms training is simply one of the requisite parts of responsible parenting.
It's a failure of our entire society that children don't know about guns by the time they learn to use toilet paper. It's part of calling yourself an American. And it needs to happen when people are very young, before they have developed a dismissive attitude about learning.
These days, I don't know what to tell you. Kids are being taught that they don't even need to speak English, or do simple math in their heads, or even hold a job. Parents aren't allowed to whack their butts for failing to try. Good luck with teaching them ANYTHING.

 

What is training needed for? It's a gun. The operation of which is incredibly simple. You first load it. If you are unsure how to do that someone can show you. Takes about 5 seconds. >>>Insult Removed<<< Then you pull the trigger. The bullet will go where the gun is pointed. That completes your training. Any questions? Now we move on to turning on the faucet, flushing the toilet and putting on your shoes.

 

And making sense. Hey, it's a concept.

 

It is, unfortunately, clear that you don't know anything about guns, how to maintain them, or how to handle them safely.

 

Funny, because I have them. They are really quite simple. My microwave is harder to use. Trying to get it to 50% power is harder than loading and shooting a gun. My guns are among the easiest things to use in the entire house. Load, point and shoot. Tough stuff, I know. Do you have trouble with light switches, too?

Let me help you out. Gun Safety: Don't aim a loaded gun at someone you don't want to shoot. Next question?

 

This is tantamount to saying that horsemanship consists of climbing on and saying "giddyap". It's the same as saying that speaking the truth is simply a decision to refrain from lying. It's clear that you know nothing more about shooting straight than you do about riding well or speaking the truth. I won't comment on how it must be to be you, but people like you make me glad that I am me.

 

Not really.

Well, if you are not lying it's a good start toward speaking the truth.

And you know this how? Please provide examples of me falling off a horse or lying. Otherwise, you are just wasting bandwidth here.

Me too. You seem slow.

 

You fell off the figurative horse in your description of firearms training. You lied. I'm looking forward to a shootin' match with you....

 

Very much the same as saying "Car Safety: Don't run over anybody. Class dismissed." What you say is true, but very much over simplified.

 

The state shouldn't be involed in such matters. Firearm training is available to those who seek it.

 

If it is a constitutional right for every law-abiding American to own firearms, then it would only make sense that, to minimize the effects of idiots who don't know what they're doing walking about with loaded firearms, training citizens on how to use them properly through the public education system. That way, the benefits of this education is felt without having your rights nulified by government decree unless you take a firearms course.

 

Just because it is a constitutional right doesn't mean it needs to be taught in public schools. What the hell does a 13 year old kid need to learn about gun safety for in school? At that age, the best teacher is the one at home. The state should not be involved in such matters.

 

I propose it be taught in high school, not to elementary school kids.

Also, you only oppose this because you oppose guns. But I honestly don't see why, if your society deems it necessary for everyone to have a gun that people shouldn't be educated in firearm use so they'll be more responsible in exercising said right.

 

I do not oppose guns. I respect people who do oppose guns and people who don't. Guns are one of those things best taught at home.

Besides, you can't get a gun permit as a minor so why waste the time, money, and effort? If the student turns 18 and wants a gun, they can take the gun safety class when they get their permit.

 

So...your defense of name-calling is more name-calling. Why am I not surprised?

As for your alleged superior knowledge, you're welcome to show evidence of it. I'm not seeing any so far...

 

You shouldn't be, after all, its all your projections coming out. The fact that you don't know the difference between a name and an identity is all on you.

I never claimed superior knowledge, but then again its all relative and compared to you, well, maybe your right.

 

Let's go one more step here, and suggest that there be a H.S. class in the 12th. grade, dedicated ONLY to the Constitution and Bill of Rights. It would only make sense. These people are about to go out into the world and exercise the empowerment of being US Citizens. They should know why we have the CONUS in the first place, what compelled the founding fathers to compose each amendment, why the later ones were included.
Students should graduate HS with a clear understanding of the importance of the whole thing, as it literally constitutes the foundations of life as we know it. The 2A is the lynch pin of the whole thing. The voting booth can be just as dangerous as a gun.

 

Personally I wouldn't mind gun safety being taught at a young age for the simple fact that kids shoot themselves and others on accident. While the parents should teach children gun safety you do end up with the kids who have never handled a gun excited at the prospect of doing so when they find one. I think it would remove a lot of the stigma and fascination. It's also an opportunity for kids to feel that they have learned something important (and they have) which will hopefully be remembered in their later years. You have no idea how many people who have not handled a gun before immediately point a gun at someone and pull the trigger, despite me telling them not to. Of course it is unloaded every time (the only time I hand people loaded weapons is when we are firing, and they know it's loaded, and I'm next to them to swat the gun down if they go stupid) but it's still a *******n stupid thing to do. It's one of those things a lot of people oppose though, same with teaching how to plan a budget or cook.

 

The issue is that it's a constitutional amendment - you shouldn't have to get a permit to get a gun in that case, it's a right you just 'have', like freedom of speech, and it is not supposed to be (or at least it shouldn't be) subject to government approval before you can exercise it.

Since it IS part of your basic bill of rights I don't see why educating kids about it is bad, but educating them about all the other rights you have and how the government functions is just fine.

If you have a problem with everyone being educated about something they are constitutionally entitled to, then I'd say you have some kind of issue with the amendment itself.

 

Well, the bottom line is that you're choosing to attack people, rather than presenting a case for your position. Clearly that's because your position is not legitimate. And that's all your bad.