UKIP

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by Reiver, May 3, 2014.

  1. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    No attempt to reply again! I'm not surprised. The Friedman error was spectacular!
     
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    You really are one sad pointless individual. You are trying ver very hard to be offensive and you just come accross as a tw@t. You clearly have a very deep bigotry towards English people which you reaklly need to talk to someone about.

    I suggest you go away and address it.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Why don't you just try and reply to the post? Just a thought!
     
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    Since you refuse to reply to questions then there isn;t much point. You clearly ere only engaged in trying to annoy people so there isn;t much point either
     
  5. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    I don't think making stuff up with be effective me ole china! You misrepresented UKIP's economic stance and, when questioned, you made it worse by referring to right wing authortarianism dressed up as free market economics. However, I'd still like to thank you
     
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    And there we go again. More of your tw2ttishness. Being in favour of free markets doesn;t make you an authoritarian. Banning free speech certainly does.

    Tell you what. Ill give you a chance. You ask me a direct question and Ill answer it and then I ask you one and you answer it. No wimping out or saying that it isnlt relevant.

    Obviously you wont take it
     
  7. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Being in favour of fairies is splendid. God bless them. But 'free market economics' is certainly about authoritarianism. From the specifics (e.g. anti-minimum wage rant that harms economic exchange) to the overall outcome (e.g. neo-liberalism that led to profiteering at the expense of the vast majority).
     
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    They didn't made any big revelation , if EU wasn't what it is fascists would still be small obscure groups of losers .

    Lulz , so you think 20000 lobbyists in Brussels have economic liberalism in mind .

    I will chew it for you : fascism is the unification of corporations and the state as seen in China where the extremely rich are becoming core members of the "communist" (wutlulz) party . How many politicians in US & EU come from corporate sector and how many go back to it after finishing their political career ? How many corporations are more or less states within a state with judicial and tax immunities , photographic legislation & private armies with the full cooperation and encouragement of the state?
    If you still don't get it go back to school .

    Let's forget about the US , say France turns into a superstitious country with creationist museums , start spending half their budget for the army, each Frenchman sleeps with his gun by the bed , make claims that they are the greatest nation ever, the major debates are about race & sexuality , take it as an insult when a politician in the other side of the planet farts without their permission , force their kids to give nazi salutes to the tricolor every morning , decorate their public buildings with Roman symbols, finance terrorist organizations around the globe , allow free reign of financial criminals & religious sex addicts.

    Would you ask where are their black uniforms yes or no ?
     
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    They look pretty fascist to me - anyone wanting to abolish the NHS, and cut taxes for the rich, are all way out of date, no thanks
     
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    And they do it on principle not because it is a working solution.
    If you remove the anti-EU sentiment those guys shouldn't exist
     
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    yep, I think those UKIP guys are stuck in a time warp, still living the right wing 'glory days' of Maggie and Ron, lol
     
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    How would you like them freed up - any examples?
     
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    lacks the labor? how about the 5 million new immigrants..........no, the problem is that the UK now lacks the ability to employ that labor thanks to the likes of Thatcher and her UKIP clones (having sold everything off)
     
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    So a fascist is someone who wants to cut taxes for the rich and abolish the NHS?
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    UKIP, as you kindly proved, are right wing authoritarian. One could be blind/deaf/dumb and still recognise that they naturally attract fascists
     
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    Essentially the UKIP are the bastard offspring of Maggie and Dennis Thatcher - few want their kind of rehashed tripe second time around.

    and anyway, long term ideology of Ukip - what is it, other than nihilistic destruction of the UK?
     
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    Right wing for progressives are anyone that is not a progressive. Progressives use force of government to take people's property, tell them what they can say, and are generally very authoritarian. Progressives believe they are right because they think they are empathetic and anyone that teaches tough love is a fascist. Problem is, just because progressives think they are good citizens is not the same as being good citizens.

    Freedom for progressives is antithetical to their collectivist beliefs and frightens them to no end.
     
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    Ah so you could attract fascsists without being one. Rather like the left contains rabid homophobes and antisemites without having it as official policy.

    I see.
     
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    There's nothing bigoted about UKIP, silly blighters apart of course, or right wing economics provided it's kept in check by the left. Nigel Farage opposed the bank bailouts. Which other party did? The other parties got us into this mess and you think we should continue supporting them?
     
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    There are certainly bogts within ukip. Probably more than most parties but there are so many bigots on the left -people who are prepared to stand next to homophobic, women hating antisemites, such as Ken livingstobe does that when some nasty leftist whines about them it just smacks of hypocrisy.

    The left should put its own nasty house in order and stop sucking up the Islamic Conservatists before they criticise the vastly milder Ukip
     
  22. Reiver

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    They utilise fears over immigration to push their right wing agenda. That is no different to the BNP
    It's right wing economics that ensured the financial crisis. They push nothing more than thatcherite garbage, the mainstay of neoliberalism and the associated economic instability. This stupidity is ignored as they have deliberately focused on pandering to bigotry
     
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    There are bigots in all parties, and in small parties they attract attention, but racists are not tolerated within UKIP; they're ejected with membership not open to any member of the BNP or EDL. In other parties they're largely ignored. The Labour party have ex BNP members standing for them and one of UKIP's bigots was saying the same stuff he said when he was a Conservative councillor but the press weren't interested until he became a UKIP councillor.

    Yes, but bigotry is hardly restricted to the left, but it certainly seems nastier, though it would be interesting to know the political leanings of the people who sending UKIP all sorts of items, including blood and faces, using the Freepost system, forcing the party to abandon the service. It looks like a kind of coward's fascism to me.
     
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    Have you actually read the two parties previous manifestoes? UKIP has very different policies to the BNP and they're responding to people's concerns over immigration with a different immigration policy that is not based on race. Should people be ignored?

    UKIP are not pandering to anything. But you still want me to support parties on the supposed left and right which have supported these right wing economics? No thanks. I don't want anything to do with the 'post democratic' age which has shafted the people, as Peter Mandleson called it. UKIP is not the perfect party, perfect parties don't exist but they beat their opponents hands down every time for me. Who do you vote for? Did your party support the bailouts???
     
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    UKIP is the anti-EU party and a very good reason for Soros to oppose them by funding propaganda against them. Soros is for world government.
     

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