It's about the tactics. Both have manifestos that most people find repugnant So how can they get through to Joe Pleb? By harnessing fears. Same ole same ole! UKIP not perfect? They're a disgrace. You don't get positive outcome from pandering to bigotry. And, to be honest, it beggars belief that people would even consider voting for this thatcherite shower. It was this stupidity that gave us the 80s recession. It was this stupidity that gave us the financial crisis. People are voting either because they are clueless over the economic reality or because of innate racism/bigotry
Should Israel be totally unbiased in their immigration given Jews are such a small minority of the world? They soon wouldnt exist if they did. What about Japan? Now i dont agree with kicking people out because of their races, once they've settled its done, but theres nothing wrong with protecting a people, their cultures and values within their homelands while having some 'diversity'. Parties not respecting this are now getting backlash all across Europe.
once again the anglophobic bigot reiver shows his ugly head again. He isn't really against racism. He supports racism when the left do it but he is just against modern conservatis. he is clearly more bothered about Thetcherite economis than anythig else and the whole 'bigot/racist obsession is just a stick to beat Ukip. It will fail. large numbers of British people are just disgusted with the likes of Reiver and every time someone 'outs' a Ukip candidate for failing to be 100% PC then Ukip actually gets more votes. This is a disaster. I want the coalitio to stay in Power and Ukip is a threat.
Given your argument has been "the left are to blame for the right wing being bigoted", I'm not surprised that you are forced to resort to low brow personal attack. You're also lacking logic! I'm English. I just acknowledge the obvious: English nationalism is a cesspit of racism and fascism
So you are claiming that if you are patriotic and english you are a Racist and a Fascist. I don;t beleive for a second you are English. You sound so much like Highlander. You are probaby from Kelso or Galashiels
Claim? I'm stating the obvious: English nationalism is inherently linked with racism and fascism. I'm not a fan of any nationalism, but clear English nationalism stands out. See, for example, the SNP and Plaid
Of course it's about tactics. Politics has always been about tactics. It was so long before UKIP came along! It has been hard getting through to the public. After all UKIP does not have the backing of the mainstream media and it is fighting entrenched parties. Do you think the public are wrong to be concerned about mass immigration? Same old same ole is exactly what we get from everyone but UKIP. Far, far from being a disgrace, I think UKIP are entirely right to oppose the other parties on the grounds they do. UKIP did not give us the 80s recession. Their opponents did. YET YOU STILL THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD VOTE FOR ONE OR OTHER OF THEM, BUT DO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ABOUT THAT. You keep labouring your point about bigotry. UKIP isn't doing that. People are voting for UKIP for all kinds of reasons. Personally I want small, low tax, libertarian government on things they should be libertarian on in my view, a controlled immigration policy, sensible energy policy which doesn't rely on so called 'green' energy, employment laws balanced between employers and employees, a cut in red tape, etc, non of which I will get from a pro-EU government. I'm also sick of consensus politics which is all we get from pro-EU parties, however much they like to hint at their differences. You are being incredibly arrogant here. Who the hell are you to decide why a person votes they way they? If other parties think people are wrong to vote for UKIP, they'd better start explaining why their own party is a better choice instead of acting like they have a right to someone's vote. Insulting people will not work and simply highlights how little they have to offer. You didn't say ... who you vote for. Did this party support the bank bailouts? Are you ashamed to say?
Courting racists, bigots and fascists is more than tactics. Following cretinous right wing authoritarian economic policies is more than tactics. They follow the exact same policies that destabilised the British economy and ensured high poverty. By ignoring that you're demonstrating a core innocence of what this shower really are. Of course that is what they rely on. They adopt the same fibbing, focusing on people's fears, such that they do not understand who the real enemy is. UKIP aren't just a party full of racists. They aren't just a party full of bigots. They are a party that demand an economic result which would crucify Joe Pleb I'm referring to the darn obvious, but I seem to have to do a lot of that to right wingers. English nationalism is racist. English national is bigoted. There is nothing libertarian about UKIP. They are right wing authoritarians, quite alien to the concet. Its these sort of empty comments that we get from UKIPers. However, I'm prepared to give you a chance. Provide detail over what these employment laws entail. If you want to vote for a racist party then that is your prerogative. I voted socialist. And bank bailouts were the result of cretinous right wing economic policies. And what do UKIP demand? A return to those cretinous right wing economic policies. Beggar's belief really. The English are obviously easily fooled
What a surprise you vote for the ideology that murdered more people in the 20th century than any other. what an epic fail
An exceedingly silly comment (even worse than your "its the left's fault for right wing bigotry"). Sounds like you're trying to refer to state capitalism and the associated authoritarianism. Naff all to do with socialism.
So please direct me to a country that implemets socialism or ha implemented socialism so we can see how this theory works in practice rather than as some untried fantasy. I wonder that due to the fact that Socialist parties in the UK do so badly and Ukip seems to be doing so well why you don;t realise that your whole election strategy is completely useless
Market socialism hasn't been implemented. I follow a post-Hayekian approach which is focused on protecting property rights (given underpayment is effectively theft). The English are inherently a right wing people. The days of revolution are history. UKIP just have to follow the BNP tactics and English folk will fall into line
So you follow MArket socialist. Is this some sort of Proudhonist idea? You all seem to have your own Jargon and show utter contempt to anyone not having the same jargon as your tiny groupuscle. BNP didnlt do very well did they? A flash in the pan that fell apart. Since you seem to hate the British then why not go away
Already said: post-Hayekian. Hayek, via his understanding of distributed and tacit knowledge (used to highlight the impossibility of a planning solution aping perfect competition), actually provided a boost to socialism. Ultimately socialism and Austrian economics aren't in conflict (although socialists, given an understanding of the labour market, will have a much better understanding of economic outcome than the Austrian) Right wing parties go in cycles. Thatcher, for example, was able to sideline the NF by ramping up Tory right wing colours. Another churlish comment. I have no problem for the peoples of Britain. English nationalists, however, are a problem. I will never give a free hand to racism and bigotry
What is wrongg with Churls? I thought you people were in favour of the underclass. I'm sure the fascists are quaking i their boots at your 'ner giving a free hand' is it just you or is it your mates from the Socialist party hanging out in the bread and roses Pub in Clapham..all 8 of them? Since ,as you claim, the NEglish are inherrantly right wing then why do you bother?
You're not making sense. An underclass refers to a segment of the population that exhibits no social mobility. That is a result of right wing policy. All I can be is honest. To ignore the racism and bigotry of the right wing English represents tacit support for racism and bigotry. I'm hoping for Scot independence so we can escape the negative effect of English stupidity
Perhaps reiver you do not know what 'churl' means. It is a an anglo saxon term original ceorl, meaning a serf. Why do you not challenge the racism and bigotry of islamism that seems so popular amngst the likes of the SWP? Adnitedly the Socialist party is not of the same background but you seem to have a proboem countering racism. homophobia and misogyny when pracyised by people of the left. I have no problem countering t when it is from the centre where I stand. And lastly you now claim that you ARE Scottish. If Scotland became independent it would have to move rightwards very quickly. Ideology is for people in opposition. Governments must be pragmatists
You're making stuff up again. There was nothing in your post. Whilst you came out with that, BBC kindly reported about the UKIP candidate for Newark: the fellow that said same sex marriage was a slippery slope towards legitimising incest. Golly!
Ypu said that you are hoping for Scottish independence so WE can escape the negative effects of English Stupidity. Thereby implying you are in Sctland not England. Yes Ukip has many people who are unpleasantly socially conservative. I condemn them. Unfortunately you won;t condemn similar statements when made by people the ;eft approve of ..like Islamists. That is why we see you kind as utter hypocrites.
Yep. You do realise that non-Scots live in Scotland don't you? I know Little Englanders can be very insular, but you're of course different. Just another red herring attempt! You really need to up your game
I said that I wanted to vote UKIP in the European election because that's where they're better suited and I also said that I don't think that they've matured enough as a party in order to gain my vote for the national election. I don't believe that they are racist or in any way a danger to the public in which case the home office has the authority to ban such a party. When I said that they haven't matured enough is that they don't have a comprehensive policy list and they are only just starting to weed out those who don't represent their views within the party. Unfortunately some moronic people who don't seem to be able to read nor make distinction and they cast people out as being racist in a cavalier and unfounded manner. And this is despite the fact that I'm actually quite a cosmopolitan person in terms of taste, ideas and the people I associate with. However I will not and should not tolerate those who brand me as well as others like this especially when I've extended the courtesy of trying to understand their view. If fascism and tyranny is to come then it is to do so when others take it upon themselves to suppress the right of speech and to conduct themselves loathsomely as well as then to have the gall to display such self righteousness.
Hypocrisy is a human trait - hardly disqualifies someone from being either right or left wing, so your point is what?
