Seems Russia Is Being Provoked Into A War

Don't start talking sense. He's sticking to his anti-Putin narrative come what may.

 

Putin is a homophobic, anti-free speech, anti-dissent, demagogue, irridentalist dictator wanna-be.

its not very difficult to be against him.

 

Russia and it's people did in their majority miss the essential items to built up a well balanced and functioning society.

I am european. Half french, half german. The countries of my german father and my french mother did finaly manage an understanding of such essential issues as I did mention.

1. To respect the difference
2. To solve arguments in debating and compromising
3. Economy is the key to a prospering society. Russias way does destroy all convidence into an economical exchange between Russia an the rest of Europe. The economy in Russia is based on oil and gas - in especcially Germany, economy is based on well done education and small smart middle class companies which are protected by the law from the state if the state wants to steal private property.
4. Both countries do have an exchange of people since the 50ties what is remarcable. Russians do not have such mentality - yes...russian tourists do travel but unlike french or germans, mostly only in well protected groups, unable to speak anything else than russian and with a behaviour what does shock: oftenrude, arrogant and not able to think and see with the eyes of the other.

Russians should visit countries as the Netherlands. Economical exchange makes countries powerfull nowdays, not soldiers and arms.

Nevertheless in me I can see a big change in thinking: I was pacifistic. Now I think GERMANY should get nuclear bombs, german, polish and french troops should be put to the polish - ukrainian border (not only US troops, the US should not always hold responsible for european trouble) and european military budget shall be tripled.

What makes things so hard for europeans in that is also (forgive me US readers) the NSA affair...very hard to trust our american ally if they do spy on us and refuse an anti-spy agreement. That , with all my respect, is not respectable. I love the USA and I feel great respect for the american society. But why on earth does Obama makes especially germans feel as they would be seen as terrorists with spying on them?

The russo-ukrainian problem only can be solved if the west sticks together. The USA shall show more respect in that and Europe shall built its own strong defence system.

So far greetings from Europe

 

Putin is already looking East to mitigate the (*)(*)(*)(*) stirred up in Ukraine. He is due to sign agreements with China in a visit there this month.

China would take a very negative view if Russia were to overtly intervene in East Ukraine. Putin will not let the upcoming deal with China be derailed so will be very careful in that regard. The West, knowing this, will do everything it can to provoke Putin.

My guess is that he doesn't fall for that trap. Look for more provocations by the West and restraint on Putin's part.

 

Yes, just as Hitler was provoked into invading Czechoslovakia and Poland.

Putin and Hitler just couldn't help themselves.

 

That's true. But I'm always wary of those who claim the moral high ground.

 

I think that Putin is a master Statesman. Today, for example, he called on the pro-Russian defenders ( of the legal government ) NOT to hold referenda on May 11th and backed national elections- once the junta army has withdrawn. ( One of the ' candidates ' backs Federalisation ) So he's agreeing with the Western position but- unlike them- moving to diffuse any chances of civil war. I'll bet he's a black belt chess player.

Will the West withdraw its junta pawns ? I should cocoa.

 

no, he's a demagogue and a tyrant.

just two days ago he signed a law criminalizing cursing in public and in media.

its illegal to defend Gay rights in Russia.

Putin is responsible for the mass-murder of Russians in the false-flag apartment bombings.

master statesman? more like master of evil.

 

Ronstar dear , and why did Nuland spend our five billion to *peacefully* overthrow the legitimate government in Ukraine?


[video=youtube;wEKviJYIlJ4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEKviJYIlJ4[/video]

 

Poor Russia....forced to attack because.....well it wants control of the Ukraine again.......remember when Russia was 'forced' to attack Poland before WW2?

 

Dont look now but Russia pulls back... and thinks referendum should be delayed..

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/world/europe/Putin-Russia-Ukraine.html?_r=0

odd..for 'being provoked'

 

yeah, and Hitler was provoked into attacking the USSR.

 

I agree, he is the chess to Obama's snakes and ladders. It never ceases to amaze me that many of those openly critical of Putin fail to square the circle by acknowledging the hypocrisy of "us" the good guys:

http://medialens.org/index.php/aler...d-clay-remaking-afghanistan-in-our-image.html
http://medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2014/760-voting-at-gunpoint.html

It would seem that this is explained by the failure of many to differentiate between objective fact on the one hand, and a kind of grand narrative sophistry predicated on false propaganda, misinformation and lies, on the other:

http://medialens.org/index.php/aler...the-dominant-grand-narrative-of-our-time.html

Of course, these false grand narratives are in part reinforced by the tendency of some to pontificate a moral democratic high ground, apparently blind to the fact that democracy is in retreat within many of our own nations':

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/04/corruption-and-fear-in-the-uk/

 

Ronstar dear Don't you think it's time civility and a respect towards others was brought back into society.

Good, he's protecting young people from gay proselytizing.

Isn't bearing false witness one of the Ten Commandments, and isn't one Commandment equal to all the others. Without proof, wouldn't saying it be equal to murder? Case closed!

We can only see others through our *own* eyes?

 

I'm afraid Ronstar only sees the world in black and white and always from the perspective of Western power.

 

Putin's too smart to fall for the provocation. Bravo! He's not going to let the U.S. destroy his relations with the E.U. and his hopes for a future Eurasian Union extending from the Atlantic to the Pacific.

 

So much for the new Hitler....LOL.

 

Eurasian Union? including Russia and Belarus?

not in our lifetime.

not as long as Russia is a racist, homophobic, demogouging, anti-freedom state.

 

He's a product of our neo pagan values and sees everything in that light. Others outside of those values see them as being highly destructive to society and the world in general...and frankly this is the battle that is being fought between Russia and the West. Devout Christians see it as a spiritual battle and Buchanan did write about it. Of course he was fired from NBC and I'm sure he will never be allowed a position again in any of the main stream Medias.

A former president of Sweden said that the first decade after the break up of the USSR it began to accept Western values, but Putin is a devout Orthodox Christian and rejected those values and therefore is a danger to the world. Hmmm! Maybe he's fearful Putin will make everyone monks?

 

But you can call anybody an ******** in private.

I thought it was illegal to promote gay practices. Somebody is losing it in translation

I suppose he also killed Elvis ?

He prevented the US/Zionist attack on Syria. Many people are alive today because of that- and the Syrian government is regaining its position. Elections soon, I hear.

 

don't call me a liar or a murderer again.

 

He still has hopes? even though he overtly attempts to exert Russian hegemony over his neignbor .. Ukraine? Even though such Eurasion union would involve said..Ukraine.. which coincidentally seeks ties with ..er..uh... Europe?

lemme guess...Nuland did it.

Oh and PS, if the relationship is destroyed, it will be by his actions.. Wait till reliance on his gas is reduced.. then we'll see some 'relations'

 

A significant factor that's often conveniently overlooked by his critics. Let's not forget that he helped expose Obama's lies implicating Assad to the chemical attacks and thus managed to wrong-foot the former thereby reining the warmongers in. Almost certainly, if it were not for Putin, the UK government would have voted yay instead of nay to yet another war.

 

In other words, the kind of leader Russians love.

 

Every nation is naturally homophobic. Some tolerate homosexuality by political reasons to be "politically correct". I do not want homosexuals to be punished for the way they are supposedly born, but I do not want them to be heroes, because of that fact. Eurasia is from Atlantic to Pacific, much bigger then both Americas combined. NATO will disintegrate after Ukrainian blunder.