Christians should understand how the non religious feel

The God they worship burnt cities to the ground. TO THE GROUND. He flooded the world. Killed nearly every living thing on it. He killed every first born in Egypt. And the other vengeful plagues.

These are the infamous stories that every christian and non christian knows so well.

That is genocide. Infanticide. Evil.

If you believe God really did all of that to mankind, how could you worship to a monster like that without being a monster yourself?

God is literally a million Hitlers.

 

No more so then the democrats.

 

Very few Christians try to impose their views onto others, but a lot of liberals can't understand this. I'm trying to understand posts like these... a guy might take the position that, when a Christian says they don't want their money going towards abortion, the Christian is imposing their pro-life view onto others.

That kind of view seems to assume that the default, or natural state of being is government involvement, instead of the natural state being whatever would happen without additional, outside interference.

It's really hard to avoid considering that kind of view as anything but a secular religion with government taking on the role of God, its influence pervading all aspects of life by default. The government is viewed as some kind of over soul and it's not the government that is unnatural but rather the lack of it.

 

I agree. That is why I did not bring up my views on gay people. This is the second time you indicate that you have grossly misunderstood my post. I suggest you read it again. It included no judgement of gay people, it accused you of hypocrisy for demanding others to consider your view without considering the view of others yourself. The fact that you didn't even bother to understand my post (even when prompted several times) further indicate your unwillingness to listen to others, cementing the view that you're demanding a courtesy which you're not willing to extend yourself.

 

Without government structure it is chaos and anarchy. There needs to be regulations. Laws.

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My point was nobody is God. Judgements are only our own.

 

So you don't believe God exists, and therefore the Bible is a load of bunk, right? But you're basing your non-belief on stories that you believe are bunk. Seems like circular logic to me. Hey, I wasn't there, got no idea what really happened. But I ain't buying the stuff you're saying or the conclusions you are drawing from a book written and translated hundreds of times over thousands of years. I think it's the world's first work of fiction and God (if He exists) had nothing to do with it. And BTW I think most adults are dismissive of those stories, the Christian God that most Christians believe in is not that God. Those who do can wrestle with the questions you raised and live with whatever answers they end up with.


I do however like the teachings of Christ and what He stood for. I don't think he was THE Son of God, more but rather A Son of God like the rest of us. You don't like Christianity, that's your choice. But I sense a lot of negative emotion in your writing, like you're mad at anyone else who believes in Christianity. That's their choice, same as yours to not believe.

 

Well, I don't try to impose my beliefs on non-Christians. What's the point of this? Bashing Christians?

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I'd treat you just like I treat LDS or Jehovah's Witnesses. "I've already got a religion. I'm Catholic and won't change, I don't want to waste any more of your time. Good bye."

 

I'm better off with a government that doesn't support nor disparage any religions.

The thing is, those of you who think religious beliefs shouldn't influence government are all pro-slavery. The abolitionist movement was highly Christian.

 

Actually these are the stories that christians believe happened. Clearly.
Afterall the Bible is the word of God!

My non belief has nothing to do with these stories.

 

The same religion that brought slavery to North America also gets to take credit for ending it.

Well congrats for fixing the atrocity that your religion created.

 

And you know this how? Did somebody do a survey, please provide a link. "Clearly" you say? Based on what evidence?

Maybe things are different wherever you live, but I don't have people knocking on my door proselytizing for their religion. I don't get phonecalls, and I don't see religious commercials on TV much at all. So if you're trying to say that your life is hell cuz people are trying convert you to Christianity all the time, then I gotta say time out, I don't think so. DUDE - tune 'em out, close the door, hang up the phone, change the channel.


You say those stories have nothing to do with your disbelief. Doesn't look that way from here. It looks like it has EVERYTHING to do with your disbelief, and you know what? I don't care. Believe, don't believe, it's your call and I'll honor your decision either way.

 

I don't think religion has anything to do with the creation of slavery. IMHO it was more about economics in most cases.

 

Christians from Europe imported slaves into North America.

Fact.

 

Natives from Africa sold their slaves to those Europeans. Fact.

 

There is your poll. Your argument is invalid.
http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/feb/16/20040216-113955-2061r/?page=all

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Europeans were Christians. Fact.

 

Atheists did too. FACT. Do you really think that religion had anything to do with it? I think you're reaching pretty far out there on this one.

 

That is the crux of the matter, when the superstitious write law based on their myths.

 

Christians out numbered the atheists.

 

As a Christian I have never, and oppose, imposing my beliefs on anyone else, if they ask I will share but that is it. The minority of Christians that want impose their beliefs on the rest of America get the attention because they actually want to use the legal syayem to force it on others, it simply means they learned nothing from Jesus. That applies to all religons, the state is not your tool, believe what you want but to force others to is not what any religon teaches, it is only zealots that wrongfully believe it does.

 

Might wanna tell the Republicans that.

 

LOL, I wouldn't be surprised. But you think they enslaved people out of their religious beliefs? I think you're condemning anybody who is a Christian cuz you hate Christians and Christianity.

 

Not all Europeans were Christian. As for the slave trade and who initiated the capture of slaves for the American slave trade era...: "The Atlantic slave trade peaked in the late 18th century, when the largest number of slaves were captured on raiding expeditions into the interior of West Africa. These expeditions were typically carried out by African states, such as the Oyo empire (Yoruba), Kong Empire, Kingdom of Benin, Imamate of Futa Jallon, Imamate of Futa Toro, Kingdom of Koya, Kingdom of Khasso, Kingdom of Kaabu, Fante Confederacy, Ashanti Confederacy, Aro Confederacy and the kingdom of Dahomey.[SUP][135][/SUP][SUP][136][/SUP] Europeans rarely entered the interior of Africa, due to fear of disease and moreover fierce African resistance. The slaves were brought to coastal outposts where they were traded for goods. " Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery#Sub-Saharan_Africa

 

Might wanna tell the atheists too.

 

I do wish that were true.

 

They are not all Republicans, just so ya know. If you mean the zealots, then it would pointless one would have to deprogram them first, not my job.