Obama now blames the Framers (and the Constitution) for his lack of leadership

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  1. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    I was too young to vote then, but we did have an event in our social studies class where we had to defend one of the candidates. I chose Perot.
     
  2. Troianii

    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That kind of selective whining is, well, annoying. When Dems complain about Wyoming, Idaho etc. being small states giving GOP unfair representation in senate, they never mention the New England states or Delaware.
     
  3. TastyWheat

    TastyWheat New Member

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    The Senate makes very little sense in the modern day because it was changed from its original purpose. It wasn't meant to represent the people of each state, that's what the House of Representatives is for, it was meant to represent state governments. Other than the court system and the electoral college, state governments have essentially no role in our federal system.
     
  4. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    True. Currently, Rhode Island is the most over-represented state. The next round of reapportionment will likely drop them to 1 Representative though.
     
  5. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I was a Democrat from Kennedy through Carter. I changed with Reagan. I changed again to Democrat in Clinton's first term and Independent in Clinton's second term. Back again to Republican when Bush ran. I have no real loyalty to either Party. Maybe that was in Clinton's first term I went Independent. Hard to remember now.
     
  6. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    True, but the emphasis on states' rights has dwindled over time. The first big decline came after the Civil War.

    When it comes to certain social policies, states' rights still seem relevant, but it seems like we're just replacing states' rights with special interests.
     
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    TexMexChef Well-Known Member

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    I say it was they signed the Constitution. They lost their real soverignty for the Union.
     
  8. Pardy

    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What does your post have to do with the Framers?
     
  9. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    Yes and no... The Constitution was more binding than the Articles of Confederation, but as far as I know, there was nothing specifically banning secession.

    Granted, that's not to say that I sympathize with their claims.

    The Civil War involved industrialists vs. slaveowners. Both sides had large groups of people that they oppressed for the sake of personal profit.
     
  10. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you another one that has yet to figure out the Framers designed the Constitution?
     
  11. TCassa89

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    this is hardly a blasphemous remark, the founding fathers also only let white male property owners vote.. but we changed that

    It's our right to alter our government and our laws rather than being ruled by dead men
     
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  12. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "I want to see a government that will do everything under the sun to create jobs" by destroying government jobs... making gov smaller, means less gov jobs
     
  13. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Government jobs are some of the most costliest jobs. We should be creating private sector jobs. Isn't our debt high enough? They are also the most inefficient. Government does mostly nothing right.
     
  14. Jonsa

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    Looks like a constitutional scholar is giving his opinion on the current state of partisan politics and the hurdles faced by democrats, demographically.

    Its a simple FACT that democrats win more votes yet it results in less seats than the republicans.
     
  15. little voice

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    WOW
    some right wing propaganda is aimed at very stupid people
    Although elected president of the United States and leader of the country
    The right wing leaders have vowed to obstruct him in any way they can
    And then blame it on his leadership abilities
    Unfortunately your post implies some people are too stupid to realize this
     
  16. little voice

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    That's why the long lines in any large store at the counter for return of faulty merchandise
    The private sector does not have to produce a good product
    They only have to convince the public it is a good product
    The government does not work that way there's always the opposition trying to find something wrong
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, after Obama showed he could not be trusted. Even the dems don't trust him. Some people are to stupid to see the nose on their own faces. The Obama sycophants prove that almost every day.
     
  19. Rainbow Crow

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    Obama is such a whiner, I'm surprised he didn't blame gerrymandering too.

    How can he blame the makeup of the Senate when he's held the Senate for going on 6 years? The alternative is just a population-based system, which is congress, and he hasn't held congress. So the Senate makeup has probably in all likelihood helped his agenda, not hurt it.
     
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    Absolutely true.

    But it is not obama's power to circumvent the govt and break the laws. If obama thinks immigration amnesty, or spying on people, or destroying coal & oil, is good; then let him make the proposal and let Congress and the people do their part.

    No matter how much obama or anyone thinks they know better, they don't have the authority to go around the system to implement their personal agenda and nullify the will of the people. Thats what obama is complaining about - he wants to be dictator.
     
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    You don't get any longer lines than at a government agency. Just go to the Motor Division or Social Security office and see 100 people ahead of you.

    If a company doesn't produce a good product, it will go out of business. The government doesn't have to be efficient, as it has no competition.

    It's not hard to find something wrong the government does. Just look at the Veterans Administration. Ever wonder why a gun store has to report anyone buying a handgun more than once a week, but you can go in and buy 10 assault rifles at one time and they don't have to report it? (Phoenix)
     
  22. FreshAir

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    so when you say "I want to see a government that will do everything under the sun to create jobs". you mean as long as it's cheap....
     
  23. Natty Bumpo

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    Eliminating the editorial commentary and extracting the actual quotations, it's clear that the President's observations are accurate. He offers an opinion in the last line, but the fact that Democrats received more votes in Congressional elections in 2012 would support the conclusion that more Americans were supportive of the Democratic agenda, but districting permitted the GOP to retain control of the House.

    Chronic Obamaligners are always getting we wee'd up about America's twice-popularly-elected President, but he really hasn't said anything here to get them in one of their tizzies.
     
  24. Marine1

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    No, not at all. I would love to see as many good paying jobs created with business as they can get. But government jobs are paid for by the tax payer. We have a lot of things paid by taxes. We have a lot of things we can't do because we don't have enough taxes to pay for them. So they either don't get done, don't get paid for, or we have to borrow money from China to pay for them. So it makes more sense to create private jobs than government jobs. I'll bet you'll never hear that from the Democratic Party or MSNBC.

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    No, not at all. I would love to see as many good paying jobs created with business as they can get. But government jobs are paid for by the tax payer. We have a lot of things paid by taxes. We have a lot of things we can't do because we don't have enough taxes to pay for them. So they either don't get done, don't get paid for, or we have to borrow money from China to pay for them. So it makes more sense to create private jobs than government jobs. I'll bet you'll never hear that from the Democratic Party or MSNBC.
     
  25. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Too bad he lied so much about his agenda. Guess that's what it takes to get elected as a Democrat.
     

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