Why are left wing dictators considered so much worse, not hypocrisy is it?

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  1. munter

    munter New Member

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    Left wing leaders always get a bad rap.

    Stalin, Castro, Lenin, Chavez, Che Guevara, Ho, Allende etc.. etc...


    but how often do the bleeding hearts cry out over the other ones:

    Pinochet, Bush, Nixon, Batista, Kerry, Suharto, South Viet leaders, Amin, etc...


    Seems it's ok as long as they're not lefties - double standard much?
     
  2. Rainbow Crow

    Rainbow Crow New Member Past Donor

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    Left wingers are willing to do a lot more to people than conservatives are, since conservatism is about accepting human nature and leftism is about fighting it.
     
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    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ... because you don't have a working definition of dictator?
     
  4. munter

    munter New Member

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    The only 'right winger' that gets bashed is Adolf, and that's because he opposed the West.

    How many others

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    Human nature needs to be opposed otherwise slavery, rape, murder etc. will just become de rigeur again - or is that what you want?

    and why the bleeding heart stuff about civil wars where citizens butcher each other - blame the people for that not the leaders - that's an unpalateable truth that doesn't sit too well with Liberal democracy - because the truth hurts!
     
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    Dictator | Wikipedia.org
     
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    Does it bother you when people disrespect your mentors?
     
  7. munter

    munter New Member

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    What bothers me the is mindless propaganda and hypocrisy, parroted ad nauseum by the neo-libbers and liberals.
     
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    Nobody likes right wing dictators anymore then the left wing dictators. The reason there is just more hatred towards the left, or so it seems is because there are simply more of them in more recent history due to the fact we've been on the left for most of the 20th century.
     
  9. munter

    munter New Member

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    So why do left wingers get blamed for war dead of their own folk, but those of the West do not?
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Any kind of dictator is bad. That why many of us have no use for Obama the would be dictator.
     
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    Stalin was a fascist with no wings and totally full of his lunatic self , do you know any sane person that exterminates everyone close to him. ?
    Castro considered himself as the new Simon Bolivar whose full name was Simón José Antonio de la Santísima Trinidad Bolívar y Palacios Ponte y Blanco .. it says something about the man and Fidel (yes i pasted this from the internet)
    Chavez was an elected president not a dictator
    Allente was an elected president not a dictator
    Che was just a soldier
    I have no opinion about Ho , Asians are just weird.


    I believe that "left wing" dictators were by far worse than Hitler because they perverted the communist idea , betrayed the hopes of the people, took a dumb over the blood of revolutionaries and presented the supposed short and painful phase of socialism as end game.
    Screw them.

    edit: I forgot Vlad ... his speeches should be printed on toilet paper .
     
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    The whole "left/right" paradigm is ill-defined and nearly possible to similarly apply to very different countries. Even in America it is hardly consistent.

    King Abdullah's a righty I think.. Obama bows down before him, as did Bush before him.

    And it looks like all the hysteria and paranoia about Putin are coming from both sides. And he's pretty hard-core conservative.

    All we can know for sure is US policy of who to support or not has NOTHING to do with their human-rights record, especially when relatively moderate dictators or even democracies are illegally and violently overthrown while countries with brutal regimes like Egypt get free Apache helicopters, courtesy of the taxpayers, or when we flip-flop and backstab. Whether they get coddled or clobbered is based on if they play ball with our national/corporate interests. Political ideology has little to do with anything really.
     
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    It's funny how these idiot right-wingers lionize Pinochet in particular. Pinochet ran his country into the ground by listening to free-market right-wingers before he kicked them all out. Funny how this fact never gets mentioned.
     
  14. Empress

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    Hitler was a leftist, so I'm not sure why you're separating him from left-wing dictators. Socialism is not a right wing concept.

    Considering Marx openly admitted that violence was necessary for a workers' state, I don't know how the violence of leftist dictators can be separated from the Communist idea.
     
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    I've never heard anyone say anything positive about Pinochet, but there's a lot of American leftists praising Chavez and Maduro (some Hollywood director flew there just weeks ago to make propaganda for him), even though the nation with the worlds greatest oil reserves can't distribute basic necessities like toilet paper.
     
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    All those dictators are authoritarians. I would venture to say that authoritarianism in general is more of a right-wing trait then a left-wing trait. I'm sure that opinion will not be liked by the right. But there is some basis for it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism
     
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    Hitler was absolutely not leftist. The skin-heads today who give deference to him are hard-core right-wingers. Educate yourself. Nazism is very close to what the far-right believes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

     
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    Empress Well-Known Member

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    "Educate" myself? The NAZI Party Program is full of economic Socialism.

    The program of the NSDAP http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/25points.asp


    7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.

    9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.

    10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:

    11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.

    12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

    13. We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

    14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

    15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

    16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

    17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.

    18. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, Schieber and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.

    19. We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.

    20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.

    21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.

    25. For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.
     
  19. EricGuitarMan

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    Pure baloney. Sorry.
     
  20. Empress

    Empress Well-Known Member

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    Yet another unsubstantiated assertion. "Baloney" isn't an argument.
     
  21. EricGuitarMan

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    I'm going to block you. I really don't care to read any more of your posts. You failed to address anything I posted, and then cut and paste some weird propaganda off some far-right blog. Have a nice day.
     
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    Empress Well-Known Member

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    Why get on a debate site if you can't defend your assertions while demanding others present sourced arguments? Are these standards for the other side only? You are committing fallacy of proof by assertion writ large, and historical websites are not "weird propaganda off some far-right blog." That was the NAZI Party Program that the NAZIs used as their ideological and policy guide. I guess you don't know your history.

    Fordham.edu is not "a weird right-wing blog."

    I am disappoint. Do yourself a favor and put down the Chomsky.
     
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    Hitler was a big government leftist buffoon. I do not understand why people do not understand this.
     
  24. Empress

    Empress Well-Known Member

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    I think it's clear that Guitar is an avowed Leftist who is trying to save his philosophy from its adherents.
     
  25. EricGuitarMan

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    Once again. All the skin-heads with swastika tattoos: Are they left or right wing? You can answer yes or no, or just dance around it.
     

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