The Dangers of Militant Atheism (and Christianity). Are there any?

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  1. thinks99

    thinks99 New Member

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    And your God also said this...

    “This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

    And this...

    “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)

    And my personal favorite...

    The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies! The LORD is slow to get angry, but his power is great, and he never lets the guilty go unpunished. He displays his power in the whirlwind and the storm. The billowing clouds are the dust beneath his feet. At his command the oceans and rivers dry up, the lush pastures of Bashan and Carmel fade, and the green forests of Lebanon wilt. In his presence the mountains quake, and the hills melt away; the earth trembles, and its people are destroyed. Who can stand before his fierce anger? Who can survive his burning fury? His rage blazes forth like fire, and the mountains crumble to dust in his presence. The LORD is good. When trouble comes, he is a strong refuge. And he knows everyone who trusts in him. But he sweeps away his enemies in an overwhelming flood. He pursues his foes into the darkness of night. (Nahum 1:2-8 NLT)
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    He sent a letter to John called the "Revelation:"

    Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

    This parallels the letter sent by Elijah, after he had gone to Heaven in 800 BC:

    2 Chronicles 21:12 And there came a writing to him, from Elijah, the prophet, (who had already gone into heaven), saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah,
     
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    I assign most of the credit (blame?) to Paul. Then again, I have no way of knowing with any certainty whether "Paul" ever existed, or whether his character in scripture merely represents a symbolic avatar for an entire group of evangelizers who modified the cult somewhat in order to make it more palatable to the Gentiles. Many Biblical scholars believe that the "Moses" character amounts to just such an amalgam of various legends associated with the original Jewish migration to Israel.
     
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    Yes, I too love that point, that Reality opposes other Fantasy Worlds based upon gods and goddesses which are not Truth.

    Reality destroys them all.
    Reality uses the force of the patriarchs to tear down the weak and corrupt matriarchs that feminists and gays create.

    The Old Testament records how the Hebrew patriarchs acted, just as Islam, the Chinese, Russia, and the North Korean patriarchs are acting now, in regard to the matriarchy of America.
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm,...

    Whenever I hear such talk I wonder how else Christ would have conquered all the Roman Empire than by using St Paul.
    Christianity ruled over all the Roman World for 1000 years, without any other gods, idols, or even any other competitive churches in existence.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Not only is there evidence of this from the past it is also evidence today as some scientists have even admitted that they often feel a need to provide a "simple reason" other than the scientific explanation for things that happen in nature. For example science explains Hurricane Sandy but it is very complex and even meterologists would like a much simplier explanation sometimes.

    Why did the tornado hit a school killing innocent children? It's hard for some to just accept random chance as an answer and they want a reason provided instead.

    Why did it not rain and the crops failed? Are we being punished by God for not offering a chicken as a sacrifice. If we sacrifice a chicken and it rains next year and the crops are good then apparently God accepted our offering. If it doesn't rain next year then God is punishing us for something else.
     
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    So, you're saying that feminists and gays must be punished because THEY created the weak and corrupt matriarchs? Are you serious? Let me tell you something -- all of those countries that you listed as patriarchs would give anything to be a matriarchal country so they can dominate the world. Don't fool yourself. And also, this doesn't sound like a very loving God to me. What religion do you belong to? That may explain a lot....
     
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    I just had a conversation about this very thing a few days ago with a friend of mine. I asked her why God would want anyone to experience pain. I have a child, and when he is in pain, I hurt for him and do everything in my power to take that pain away. Her reply was, "Maybe God wants you to learn from your pain and grow." I'm not buying it. I had an old friend who had a sister that died from taking pills. It tore the family apart, and after seven years, everyone is completely dysfunctional. What was God's plan for this? Where is the growth?
     
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    Some religious scholars claim that the Apostle John wrote the Book of Revelation but there is no certainty to that claim.

    What is more important is that there are no written texts attributed to Jesus and he very well could have been illiterate which wouldn't be unusual for the times but be ironic for someone that other men, in their writings, claimed to be the Son of God. We don't have a single word of what Jesus might have said but instead only claims of what he might have said made by men many years after his death. At best the authors, assuming they were there and actually heard what Jesus said (and we don't know that to be the actual case), would be paraphrased versions as no one's memory is really that good. At worst the statements are pure fiction.

    What we do know is that Jesus, if he actually existed which is probably true, died just like any other man and there is no evidence that he ever returned from the grave. That was unquestionably a fabrication by the authors in promoting their religious cult.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    While I don't disagree for some people the belief in God brings them peace and that is a good thing. We don't have to believe in something that is true to make it have meaning in our life. Truth is really an illusion and if religion brings someone peace then it is a good thing.

    All I've ever asked is that they also afford me the same respect to not believe in what they believe and don't force me to comply with their religious beliefs.
     
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    Right... You might want to do a little reading in your spare time. ;)
     
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    I don't think that many modern scholars would agree that John of Patmos is the author who wrote the Johannine works, nor that all of the Johannine works are even attributable to the same author.
     
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    Depends what exactly you mean by certainty. I am certain god does not exist - in the sense that I am quite convinced of it - and yet, I acknowledge that I may be mistaken about that, however remote that possibility seems to me. I believe this is in fact the position of the vast majority of vocal atheists.

    On a sort-of related note, Dawkins annoys the crap out of me.
     
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    So, wouldn't you be considered an agnostic atheist then? Yep, that's what I appreciated about the article I posted. I highly respect Dawkins, but he leaves a bad taste in my mouth when I watch his interviews -- better yet, his confrontations with Christians. I prefer to listen to Sam Harris and Penn Jillette.
     
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    The content of the post had nothing to with the title.

    There really is no such thing as militant atheism. Religious people got upset because of MAdeline Murray O'hare exercising her rights and holding the government to be representative of all people, not just Christians.

    There is a sizeable amount of Christians out there who believe they are special special people and the American republic should represent Christians only and everybody else should be second class citizens.

    They came up with the term to demonize people who fight against them in order to put them down and shut them because they can not win on the merits of their own beliefs and philosophy. After all the philosophy of "we're special special people so we should have the privilege" is a really poor belief to justify for any group who feels that way.

    Especially in a political system that is supposed to represent all of its citizens fairly and equally before the law.
     
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    agreed, I think many Christians think they are Christians cause they believe in "a God", and many think they are Athiests cause they do not believe in the "Christian God"

    but the dangerous of either group are those that want to use the power of government to force you to believe as they do (or at least pretend too) - as long as they can count you as thinking the way they do, they really don't cause if you truly believe, to them it is just a game to get the biggest numbers

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