Is God a Universalist or has he condemned some of us?

Is God a Universalist or has he condemned some of us?

As a Gnostic Christian and Universalist, I have to allow equality to all including women and gays. This is what the Jesus I know taught. That is not the usual Christian position but as a Universalist, Gnostics cannot help this. We happen to think it the most moral position to take. They, Christians and most of the other Abrahamic cults including Muslims are wrong in their thinking.

The bottom line is that we cannot see Jesus condemning any of us, His best works.

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect:.

Christian dogma says that all that is or was created emanated from God. If so, condemning us would be like God condemning a part of his own body. This is ridiculous to a Gnostic Christian and is why the Jesus we know is a Universalist.

The O.T. does not speak of hell and it’s creation is mostly, --- not always, --- given to Jesus or the N.T. Gnostic Christians would see hell as an immoral construct that no self-respecting God would create.

If we are all a part of God, --- as both Christian and Gnostic Christian dogma suggest, --- then it is logical to say that God would not condemn any of his parts and that God is therefore a Universalist God who has not condemned anyone.

Do you agree, --- or does your God condemn any of us and thus unfortunately backslides from his previous state?

Regards
DL

 

The gnostics were dead wrong in favoring Knowledge over Truth, which is the one light into the future which saves mankind from extinction.

Truth is the only thing which allows for correct behavior, a worship which is mandatory since adaptation to the Reality we live in is necessary and required.

God s Reality, and the Truth "He" sires as that Reality unfolds, is the saving Christ for men.

 

cupid....your OPINION of what is "the Truth"...is not "the Truth"...it's your opinion.

Right?

 

On-topic.....

it seems that God is very "limited" according to most of His believers. He ONLY operates on a very narrow frame of judgement and partiality that composes but a few hundred million human beings' beliefs. (Wait...remember Protestants do not believe in Purgatory....so right off you've split Christendom between Catholics and Protestants on God's Universality on post-life judgement)

Also apparently He can judge certain things more or less harshly....depending on the whims of how a portion of his Faithful interpret a book (one book, supposedly all the Poor Old Guy can operate inside of, as well).

You can go to Heaven on faith alone.....or you need acts plus faith. Drinking alcohol is a sin...or it's not. Divorce is a sin...or it's not. Eating meat on a Friday is a sin.....then on a whim...it's not. Sins can be categorized into "more" or "less" damning....or all sins are the same to God.

A mass murderer can truly repent and ask Jesus to be his Saviour one second before getting a lethal injection.....after slaughtering a whole kindergarten full of 5 year olds.....and God lets him into Heaven for endless joy and peace.

A woman has an abortion at 3 weeks gestation....doesn't "repent"....she burns in Hell for all eternity?


God the "infinite"....to many of His Believers, is like a psychotic bipolar with a list of 5-10 things which He'll roast you alive for.

 

And how do you know about God? Where's the evidence?

 

What would you do if you were omnipotent and had created humans?

Remember in this scenario, youre really realy smart....

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Condemnation is nonsense, only guided self jugdement makes sense. This is gods gift.

Think about it.

 

If I were God, I would show myself OVER AND OVER to people instead of leaving humans to roam the earth speculating what they think God is and wants and killing each other in the name of God. God was an idea created by man. Don't you think Jesus sounds a lot like a glorified David Koresh? He just has a bigger following...

 

ah, but then you cancel out free will! at least that's what the theists will tell you.

the old bustard leaves 'em dangling for centuries, and doesn't seem to care when they make up stuff to explain it all away. my guess is that it's like a really good sitcom for him. watching his playthings tie themselves into knots to keep all the balls in the air must be very funny!

 

That strikes me as a universal question for all religious adherents. There's a reason why religions rely upon faith.

 

Thats an awful thing to do to people, why would you do that? Whats the point of their existence if your showing yourself all the time?

 

He did it a LOT in the Old Testament....like Wayne Newton in Vegas doing two shows a night.

Then after that God "retired"...and let his Son do a short stint (Sort of like "Frank Sinatra Junior").......and after that?

God only appears as an image on some drywall in Tampico, Mexico....or maybe a bright light in Portugal once a millenia as long as nobody has a movie camera around.

 

What would be so terrible about a God making his presence known to his creation? I mean, aside from it being a huge embarrassment to all of the folks who chose the wrong God?

 

Gnostic Christians do not put knowledge above truth.

Where is knowledge not truth?

Please give an example or two as knowledge and truth are synonymous to me.

If something is not true then how can it be knowledge?

Regards
DL

 

Let's not forget how he likes the smell of burning human flesh.

Regards
DL

 

Only in apotheosis and then only for the one who suffers it.

That is the only evidence I have but it is not visible to others.

The churches do not teach what Jesus did. Have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

Regards
DL

 

We are close.

Jesus indicated that the Sabbath was created for men and not men for the Sabbath.

This tells me that man is to control religions and Gods and we should not have those absentee myths and Gods lead men.

Man is supreme here. Not some unknowable God.

Regards
DL

 

I agree. Faith without facts is for fools.



Regards
DL

 

It would remove the entire point of the universe. personal choice.

 

But isn't it "odd" that the EXACT SAME amount of Free Will exists in our Universe where God supposedly exists....as would exist in a Universe where God didn't exist?

The exact same amount.

 

How is that?

 

I assume you mean feminist women who behave sexually as harlots.
Right?

Gays and harlots hurt kids who are abused as Child Abuse is the end package of such behavior.
Hence your gnosticism is absent the Facts of knowledge which you say you agree with.

 

Was Bristol Palin a "feminist harlot", cupid...when she got drunk and impregnated by her boyfriend on a camping trip?

 

With a god running around showing great works people can lay everything on him. Religious people already try to, even without evidence - so what do you think id be like if he show up?

Theres too many other logical problems with a singular personality God anyway so lets forget it.

 

Well indeed, the trouble with religion is that even without proof none of the Abrahamic monotheistic doctrines makes sense anyway. They're more cults than actual metaphysical theories of reality.

I do wish people would stop trying to kick organised Christianity and other such doctrines into the dirt though - its a silly belief system that refuses to explain much of anything. It really should be ignored and most educated people have set it aside a long time ago.

Its previous power was based on the fact that it provided an excellent entertainment and counselling service, those days are done.

All that said, the only system that can make sense is where we ourselves are the creators and masters of the universe living lives and judging ourselves at the end of these. This is only way in which lessons can be truly learned. Pain and suffering cause resentment and are counter productive, however if you or I were to be shown the effects of all our actions - we would indeed be turned.

 

I see... God should avoid showing himself because he doesn't actually exist. That seems to be a different argument altogether.