Bloomberg : "Russias involvement in the violence in Ukraine is no longer in question

litwin · May 29, 2014

Bloomberg : "Russias involvement in the violence in Ukraine is no longer in question"

great article , do you still have any questions about Putin´s involvement?

Russia's Hand in Ukraine Is Exposed
769 May 28, 2014 2:54 PM EDT
By Marc Champion

Among those who died fighting in Donetsk this week were Russian citizens -- at least eight, according to the citys mayor. With that revelation, Russias involvement in the violence in eastern Ukraine is no longer in question.

The confirmed presence of foreign fighters exposes as untrue repeated claims by Russian President Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov that they are merely horrified bystanders to events in eastern Ukraine. Those claims were never plausible, given Russia's record in Crimea and thin popular support for the secessionist rebels in the east.

Lavrov recently challenged those who insisted Russia was backing the rebels to produce a single captured Russian agent. Of course, he can maintain that the Russian citizens killed in Donetsk were simply volunteers motivated by attacks on their ethnic kin in Ukraine. The eight, however, included Chechens, who by no stretch of the imagination are Russian nationalists.

There are certainly Chechen mercenaries available for hire, but they also answer to Chechen strongman Ramzan Kadyrov, who is fiercely loyal to Putin. Kadyrov has denied sending anyone to fight in Ukraine, but in an otherwise hard-to-explain twist, he personally negotiated the recent release of two Russian journalists held by pro-Ukraine forces. It is inconceivable that Kadyrov would send fighters to Ukraine without Moscow's approval or, more likely, instructions.

This conflict is following a script more than 20 years old: Russia intervenes(Georgia) in its ex-Soviet neighborhood using volunteers, including Chechens, and unmarked Russian military equipment to provide deniability.

Although transparent, Russias subterfuge is useful. It provides Europes leaders cover to avoid imposing costly economic sanctions on Russia. Putin withdrew troops from its border with Ukraine just before Sundays election there, the failure of which German Chancellor Angela Merkel had set as a trip wire for broader sanctions. European Union leaders who met on Tuesday were plainly relieved that they would not have to follow through on her threat.

However, the clash in Donetsk demonstrates that Ukraines presidential election alone will not stabilize the country. The decision by the city's separatist leaders to declare martial law and send troops to seize the airport the next day showed they saw the vote as a starting pistol to renew hostilities rather than a signal to de-escalate.

The Donetsk airport serves the region and is a vital piece of infrastructure. If separatists gain control of it, they could receive supplies and even reinforcements from aircraft arriving from Russia or other parts of the former Soviet Union. As it stands, border controls on cargo and passengers are in the hands of authorities in Kiev.

President-elect Petro Poroshenkos rapid decision to order airstrikes to retake the airport demonstrated that the new regime intends to fight back. It, too, sees the vote as an occasion to reinvigorate its military effort. Poroshenko is gambling that Russia has decided against an open invasion, perhaps the only move that would trigger economic sanctions from the EU.

He may be right. But there's no doubt Russia is working to destabilize Ukraine. This campaign began with the annexation of Crimea, and the facts suggest it will continue until Putin gets the relationship with Ukraine that he wants.

Merkels threat of broad economic sanctions needs to be kept on the table. France should cancel its unconscionable contract to sell helicopter carriers to Russia. Countries participating in Russias South Stream natural gas pipeline project, which would allow Russia to send gas to Europe without using Ukraines pipelines, should pull out.

Ukraine has a new president. Little else has changed.
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Ronstar · May 29, 2014

The most recent episode of Frontline had a militia guy in eastern Ukraine admit that they were being paid by Russia and that many of their fighters crossed into Ukraine from Russia recently.

Giftedone · May 29, 2014

litwin said: ↑

Bloomberg : "Russia’s involvement in the violence in Ukraine is no longer in question"

great article , do you still have any questions about Putin´s involvement?

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-05-28/russia-s-hand-in-ukraine-is-exposed
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Anything coming out of "Bloomberg" on Russia should be taken with a grain of salt.

"But there's no doubt Russia is working to destabilize Ukraine" ... Since this is the MO of the US in numerous places around the world, can one blame them ?

EvilAztec · May 29, 2014

Very interesting
You know here is no one ukrainians to approve your message ....
Yep elf_ua is coming soon ,if only he was not killed in Slovyansk LOL

litwin · May 29, 2014

Giftedone said: ↑

Anything coming out of "Bloomberg" on Russia should be taken with a grain of salt.

"But there's no doubt Russia is working to destabilize Ukraine" ... Since this is the MO of the US in numerous places around the world, can one blame them ?
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ok, why does putler lie that there's no Russian ...?

litwin · May 29, 2014

Ronstar said: ↑

The most recent episode of Frontline had a militia guy in eastern Ukraine admit that they were being paid by Russia and that many of their fighters crossed into Ukraine from Russia recently.
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this one?

[video=youtube;6Imdl90i4Zo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=6Imdl90i4Zo[/video]

Csareo · May 29, 2014

Volunteers, lol. We figured out the volunteer ploy back in the Moldovan civil war. Russia has sickened me beyond belief. They claimed no involvement in the Georgian Genocide, because the troops were Russian "volunteers", and not government forces.

Csareo · May 29, 2014

Giftedone said: ↑

Anything coming out of "Bloomberg" on Russia should be taken with a grain of salt.

"But there's no doubt Russia is working to destabilize Ukraine" ... Since this is the MO of the US in numerous places around the world, can one blame them ?
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Yes we can. As expected, another one justifies Russian imperialism by wagging the finger at the US.

litwin · May 29, 2014

Csareo said: ↑

Volunteers, lol. We figured out the volunteer ploy back in the Moldovan civil war. Russia has sickened me beyond belief. They claimed no involvement in the Georgian Genocide, because the troops were Russian "volunteers", and not government forces.
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whats funny here, Russia has learned nothing, or its a point(creation of Chi-chi terrorists)? what do you think? ...

Later in 1992, Basayev traveled to Abkhazia, a breakaway region of Georgia, to assist the local separatist movement against the Georgian government's attempts to regain control of the region—a conflict in which, ultimately, a minority of 93,000 Abkhaz were successful in ethnically purging a majority of Georgians (numbering some 250,000) from the region. Basayev became the commander-in-chief of the forces of the Confederation of Mountain Peoples of the Caucasus (a volunteer unit of pan-Caucasian nationalists, composed mainly of Chechens and other Muslim people from the Caucasus). Their involvement was crucial in the Abkhazian war and in October 1993 the Georgian government suffered a decisive military defeat, after which most of the ethnic Georgian population of the region was driven out by ethnic cleansing.

It was rumored that the volunteers were trained and supplied by some part of the Russian army's GRU military intelligence service. According to The Independent journalist Patrick Cockburn, "cooperation between Mr Basayev and the Russian army is not so surprising as it sounds. "In 1992–93 he is widely believed to have received assistance from the GRU when he and his brother Shirvani fought in Abkhazia, a breakaway part of Georgia." No specific evidence was given.[14][dead link]

The Russian government newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazeta reported that Basayev was an agent of GRU, and another publication by journalist Boris Kagarlitsky said that "It is maintained, for example, that Shamil Basayev and his brother Shirvani are long-standing GRU agents, and that all their activities were agreed, not with the radical Islamists, but with the generals sitting in the military intelligence offices. All the details of the attack by Basayev's detachments were supposedly worked out in the summer of 1999 in a villa in the south of France with the participation of Basayev and the Head of the Presidential administration, Aleksandr Voloshin. Furthermore, it is alleged that the explosive materials used were not supplied from secret bases in Chechnya but from GRU stockpiles near Moscow."[15][16] The Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta stated that the Basayev brothers "both recruited as agents by the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Russian General Staff (GRU) in 1991–92." The Russian newspaper Versiya published the GRU file on Basayev and his brother, which revealed that "both Chechen terrorists were named as regular agents of the military intelligence organization."[17]

Russian special forces joined with the Chechens under Basayev to attack Georgia. A GRU agent, Anton Surikov, had extensive connections with Basayev.[18] Russian military intelligence had ordered Basayev to support the Abkhaz.[19]

Basayev received direct military training from the GRU since the Abkhaz were backed by Russia. Other Chechens also were trained by the GRU in warfare, many of these Chechens who fought for the Russians in Abkhazia against Georgia had fought for Azerbaijan against Armenia in the Nagorno-Karabakh war.[20]

The Russians allowed Basayev to travel between Russia and Sukhumi to battle the Georgians
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamil_Basayev#Georgian-Abkhaz_conflict

Csareo · May 29, 2014

litwin said: ↑

whats funny here, Russia has learned nothing, or its a point(creation of Chi-chi terrorists)? what do you think? ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamil_Basayev#Georgian-Abkhaz_conflict
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I do have to give kudos to Russia for constantly escaping with this deception though. They kill, murder, and plunder, with absolutely no movement from the 1000% stronger west.

litwin · May 29, 2014

Abkhazian separatism was born in the maze of KGB. Part I

In the course of the last two decades the Georgian society has been continuously asking the following question: was it possible to avoid the civil war of the nineties, events of Abkhazia and South Ossetia that resulted in thousands of deaths, causing hostilities among people and destroying many in Georgia and the whole Caucasus? What was a cause of all this? Was it just whims and ambitions of a small group of people? Or was it assault and confrontation foisted on small nations by outside forces that had their own interests and agenda? Maybe it was an objective necessity of historical, social and geopolitical changes. It will take quite some time for historians, politicians and others to answer all these questions.

This is a modest attempt from "the Club of Experts" to help the Georgian society look into the maze of the Russian Security Services, underestimation of capabilities of which and non-consideration of historical lessons led to many false steps that itself brought disastrous results in the country.

Following the turbulent 20s of the last century the Bolshevik regime despite mass repressions, war and difficult material problems managed to weaken a spark of the Georgian protest and someway put it in the box. Later inner ebullition started again and it found a pretext for eruption in March 1956 when many in Georgia found insulting to their national pride personal insults and affront directed at Stalin’s personality who in the world for decades had been considered as a sparkle of the Georgian genius, as well as a mysterious physical elimination of Beria before that.

Speech of Nikita Khrushchev about the Personality Cult of Stalin was met as yet another unfair attempt to put the blame of century-old sins of Russian Empire on the brutality of the Georgian nature. Events of the 9th of March was the first unconscious protest of the Georgian youth against yet unrecognized evil that resulted again without realization in deaths of tens of boys and girls. But on the 9th of March awakening of the sleeping Georgian society started.

That day Georgian youths and Russian special divisions that were brought to Tbilisi especially for that event were facing each other. From the Communications Building the divisions opened fire at the unarmed column that was coming towards them and killed and shot hundreds of innocent people on the spot. Astonishment of witnesses was boundless – Russian soldiers sitting inside the tanks that were raging on Rustaveli Avenue were helpless in the face of youths who were enraged by deaths of their brothers and were riding their tanks.

Weapons were taken away from the Georgian police and security services. Georgian national armed forces were hurriedly dismantled. The full control was taken by the Military office.

There were rumors that Nikita Khrushchev intended to send the entire Georgian nation into exile in Siberia. Authorities of the Republic were very concerned.

Despite all this neither before that nor afterwards there were not a fact of negative attitude towards Russian citizens based on their ethnicity. Although there were plenty of attempts to receive such material that would have served as a pretext of defending the Russian citizens for carrying out repressions. Georgia could not tolerate dictate and the Russian boot but the latter was never been identified with the Russian people and the Russian culture.

Generations spent decades in struggling with themselves as it was difficult to reconsider old values in new ways. Information was lacking and most of the times they were denying each other. Aspiration towards the western values was gathering strength in a certain part of the Georgian intelligentsia and youth. Spread of anti-Soviet leaflets and publishing of the illegal magazines started. Georgian Helsinki Group of Human Rights was created. Actual formation of the Georgian National Movement commenced.

The Kremlin blamed everything on the Western propaganda and in response in 1967 created special so-called fifth operative direction within the State Security Committee, duty of which was to fight against ideological sabotages and anti-Soviet and nationalistic manifestations of the main rival.

Even later Moscow assessed Georgian and Baltic national liberation movements as the most dangerous carriers of the Western imperialist policy that were directed at weakening and destruction of the Soviet Union. With respect to such report the security services were given a task to take care and create permanent illegal agent positions in these republics. We suppose that this task was realized.

Hotspots of tensions were being created in the autonomies of the country and all along the sea coast considering historical, ethnic, geographic and psychological characteristics. Separatist forces in Abkhazia and South Ossetia became more active and respectively their demands took more radical form. It is known that protest letters sent from time to time by the Abkhazian separatists to the Central Committee of the Soviet Union and organized protest demonstrations with anti-Georgian slogans and demands of secession from the Georgia was occasional occurrence since the creation of the first independent republic and more frequent one since 1957. As a rule, everything tend to finish "peacefully" with interference of the Central Committee of the Soviet Union and in many cases at the expense of unjustifiable concessions of the Georgian Central government.

To have a clear understanding of the events in Abkhazia in the last decade we should definitely mention a notorious large gathering of the Abkhazian separatists on the 18th of March 1989 in a village of Likhny of Gudauta district where all the Abkhazian Party elite was present. At that gathering an anti-Georgian goal – to detach Abkhazia from Georgia - was openly announced. A statement addressed to the Central Committee of KPSU approved at this gathering caused turmoil in the Georgian society. The separatists showed Georgians with this statement that only Abkhazians could decide a fate of Abkhazia and Georgians would not even be asked. Obedient Georgians were accustomed to such attitude over the years but the letter of Likhny was a last drop in the overflowing cup of Georgian patience and immediate protest followed. The Likhny gathering was like a thunder and spread through the whole of Georgia. Thousands of demonstrators gathered in Sukhumi, Leselidze, Gulripsh and Gali were addressed with speeches about muny-century-old friendship of the two nations and were called not to align themselves with the separatists.

From the beginning of April protests started in Tbilisi in connection with the Likhny events and the demonstrations became permanent. Leaders of the national liberation movement made a demand of secession of Georgia from the Soviet Union.

Events that took place in Tbilisi on the 9th of April 1989 completely changed a vector of not only the development of Georgia but it also put a fat question mark on the existence of the Soviet Union. The Kremlin considered this too much and immediate reaction followed. The Russian security services put in motion those slow action mines – system of the country's national organization of those times - that were designed for extreme conditions.

As we mentioned above the Kremlin considered Georgia as well as the Baltic Republics to be unreliable regions and it was expecting that these republics would leave the Soviet Union. According to the plan made in KGB "Adamon Nikhas" and "Aidgilara", organizations supposedly formed by the local national forces started to actively operate in South Ossetia and Abkhazia. These organizations were given a task to counter the Georgian national liberation forces in the autonomies and to intervene in their fight for the Georgian independence.

Coming from a simple logic if these organizations were really pursuing national liberating goals they would have fought alongside the Georgians for the secession from the Soviet Union not against them.

Based on common interests Russian and Armenian organizations "Ruski Dom" and "Krunk" were in close contact with "Aidgilara". These organizations like "Aidgilara" were formed and managed by the Soviet KGB. The top level of these organizations consisted mostly of those who during the previous years were registered by KGB for stirring up separatism in the population. Some of them were under investigation and some of them even were recruited.

The above mentioned organizations were forming branches in different districts without any resistance. Their representatives were actively working on the ideological treatment of non-Georgian population. By falsifying historical facts they were painting Georgians as occupiers and were constantly implanting into the minds of non-Georgians and especially Abkhazians an idea of necessity of cleansing Abkhazia of Georgians.

Another ideological front against Georgia was created as presented by the Northern Caucasian Republics. The Russian Security Services created so-called popular-national movements like "Aidgilara" and "Adamon Nikhas" there that were promising all the help to the Abkhazian separatists. Especially active was Kabardian national movement "Adaghe Khase". On the Abkhazian TV and Press the separatist leaders were constantly talking about unshakable brotherhood and unity of Abkhazian and Northern Caucasian nations. This period suspiciously coincided with the formation of "the Confederation of the Mountainous People" whose capital was announced to be Sukhumi. Meetings were held with Northern Caucasian representatives.

Publications of defamatory articles written by the organization "Ruski Dom" in the newspaper "Sovetskaya Abkhazia" about the facts of trafficking that supposedly Georgians were carrying out towards Russian persons became frequent.

Gradual intensification of the separatist ideas among the Abkhazian population and frequent displays of the anti-Georgian attitude in various forms had created conditions for strengthening of the Georgian national consciousness that transformed the National liberation movement into the united popular movement in Abkhazia. Naturally, in such conditions, every sensible Georgian, notwithstanding their past and party belonging started to unite under one idea.

Therefore, the national forces, notwithstanding their desire, were compelled not only to take into account but also to rely on the local Georgian party authorities.

It's hard to imagine what kind of means and forces should have been used in order to neutralize visible and invisible anti-Georgian forces in Georgia, and in particular in Abkhazia, that were subordinated to and nurtured and supported by KGB.

The Georgian national liberation movement had a big test ahead of them as apart from the Communist regime it was opposed by the separatisms in Abkhazia that was managed by KGB. It should also be noted that in Abkhazia separatism seemed much more dangerous to the Georgian national liberation movement than the Communist regime.

The Georgian national liberation movement and later the national authorities could not pass this test. Along with subjective there were objective factors as well that inexperienced Georgian authorities could not take into account as Russia put in action the entire arsenal of leverage in order to keep such strategically vital region in its sphere of influence. And although with full concentration of forces these attacks were temporarily averted but the young government was not ready to neutralize outbreaks caused by separatism and national rivalry. Furthermore, many fatal mistakes were made. As a result Russian security services managed to instigate bloody confrontation with Abkhazians and Ossetians with whom Georgian people were connected through history of brotherly co-existence, common culture and ties of relationship for centuries. These mistakes were so many that it will take us long to recite. We will try to present and analyze just some of them.

To be continued...
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litwin · May 30, 2014

DONETSK, Ukraine – It’s no longer about amateurs. There is a full-scale war going on, and it’s fought by professionals. The Russians are here – and they’re making a grab for power in eastern Ukraine.

If there was ever any doubt, it was quashed this week when separatist leaders and fighters here opened up to journalists about their Russian roots. In interviews with the Kyiv Post, Vice News, and the Financial Times, fighters in the so-called Vostok Battalion identified themselves as Russian citizens, with several saying they were from the Autonomous Republic of Chechnya.

Despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, top Russian officials have repeatedly denied the presence of Russian troops in eastern Ukraine. Most recently, Ramzan Kadyrov, the head of the Chechen Republic denied claims that he was responsible for sending Chechen mercenaries to fight alongside separatists in eastern Ukraine, saying that such accusations were wholly “untrue.”

Still, Kadyrov did not deny that Chechens are fighting in Ukraine, adding, “If somewhere in the conflict zone somebody saw a Chechen, that’s their personal business.”

It seems improbable, however, that Chechens are fighting in eastern Ukraine without Kadyrov’s consent or knowledge. The Financial Times reported that one Chechen fighter told them “our President [Kadyrov] gave the order. They called us and we came.”

Mark Galeotti, an expert on Russia security services and a New York University global-affairs professor, posited in a recent essay that the presence of the Vostok Battalion is “something that could not have happened without Russian acquiescence – and which probably was arranged by them.”

Mercenaries from the north Caucuses were only spotted this week, with reports that coincided with numerous illegal border crossings from the Russian side, according to Ukraine’s Border Guard Service.

The porous Russia-Ukraine border means that stopping the stream of Russian militants to Ukraine will be difficult. On May 27, the Ukrainian state border service clashed with Russian militants attempting to cross the border into Luhansk. It reported that both sides suffered casualties, and one Russia gunman was killed and another severely wounded. The service seized three vehicles and various armaments, including Kalashnikov rifles and rocket-propelled grenade launchers.

Despite the guards’ seizure, some vehicles were able to enter Ukrainian territory. The border guard service believes that they are part of a larger group of mercenaries sent to fight the Ukrainian army in Luhansk and Donetsk.

The battalion’s seizure of the Donetsk regional administration building on May 29, which had previously been controlled by local separatists swearing allegiance to the self-proclaimed breakaway Donetsk People’s Republic, underscores the growing control of Russian militants in Ukraine’s east.

The battalion, a well-organized unit of mercenaries comprised mostly of Russian citizens, according to Varan, one of the unit’s commanders who declined to give his real name, stormed the building and forced the separatists of the DPR out onto the streets.

As a front loader razed barricades of tires and barbed wire that surrounded the building’s perimeter for weeks and dump trucks drove the debris away, it was clear that amateur hour was over.

A Vostok militiaman who goes by the nickname Tikhii told the Kyiv Post that the reason for the takeover was “marauding” near the airport by some members of the Donetsk People’s Republic. Overnight on May 29, a Metro hypermarket whose parent company is based in Germany was looted by alleged DNR members.

Others voiced similar concerns about the lawlessness that had washed over the city in recent weeks.

Tikhii emphasized that the Vostok Battalion has a greater claim to power because of its military service to the fledgling republic. The purged separatists “haven’t been anywhere, not in (the village of) Karlivka [which saw heavy fighting on May 23], not at the airport.”

By mid-afternoon, Vostok had purged the entire building of its occupants, saying that it would thereafter be a “people’s building.” In some ways, the takeover resembled a coup, though Vostok soldiers didn’t say whether it would entail a change of leadership.

When asked whether Denis Pushilin, the head of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, and Pavel Gubarev, who calls himself People’s Governor, as well as other separatist leaders would remain in power, Tikhii responded cryptically.

“They will, for now. Probably,” he said.The Vostok Battalion, a Kremlin-backed faction in the self-declared Donetsk People's Republic, has ousted local Ukrainian separatists from the regional administration building that had become the symbol of the uprising against Kyiv in eastern Ukraine. Ukrainian media say the battalion is part of a larger group of Russia-based mercenaries, which includes Chechens and Don Cossacks, who have been trained, equipped and dispatched via Rostov to fight the Ukrainian army in Luhansk and Donetsk provinces. The Vostok Battalion was reportedly involved in the invasion and subsequent of annexation of Crimea in March and in deadly clashes in Donetsk province's second largest city, Mariupol, in early May.

Whatever the case, it was clear by nightfall on May 29 that the Russians – led by Alexander Borodai, the self-proclaimed prime minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic, a Russian citizen from Moscow – were in charge.

As if further evidence of Russians fighting in eastern Ukraine was needed, on May 29, the bodies of 33 rebels killed during the fierce gun battle with Ukrainian forces at Donetsk airport that left as many as 50 dead on May 26 were set to be transported from an ice cream factory in Donetsk and repatriated to their motherland.

“We are taking them home to Russia,” Borodai of Moscow told the Kyiv Post outside the Kalinina hospital morgue on May 29. In past days, he has traveled throughout the city using members of the Vostok Battalion as his personal bodyguards.

Flanked by them on May 28, during an impromptu press conference inside Donetsk’s Ramada hotel, he justified the Russian fighters’ presence in the east by saying that “the Donbas,” as the eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk are collectively known, “is Russian land.”

“This is Novorossiya,” he said, echoing Russian President Vladimir Putin’s czarist-era description of the region.

Kyiv Post editor Christopher J. Miller can be reached at miller@kyivpost.com and on Twitter at @ChristopherJM. Kyiv Post staff writer Isaac Webb can be reached at isaac.d.webb@gmail.com and on Twitter at @IsaacDWebb.

Editor’s Note: This article has been produced with support from www.mymedia.org.ua, funded by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Denmark and implemented by a joint venture between NIRAS and BBC Media Action. The content is independent of these organizations and is solely the responsibility of the Kyiv Post
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