You guys need to watch this interview/documentary with an 11 yr old transgender

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  1. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'll be honest - I'm still not sure if being transgender is as natural as being gay is. But, this interview with Jazz, an 11 yr old transgendered girl, makes it really hard to think it's all just a choice. Everything about this girl aside from the fact she has a male body reveals her as a girl. The way she walks, talks, and her generally mannerism is all too natural to have been a choice - especially at such a young age. I know the idea of LGBT rights has been hard for the right to deal with, and to an extent I can understand because change is hard. But, I think if we showcase stories like that of Jazz, it will become easier to see that maybe for many this isn't a choice - maybe some people are just born in the wrong body.

    [video=youtube;5BnHCjT10_Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BnHCjT10_Q[/video]

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    The eyes, chico - they never lie. This little girl, to me, has always been a little girl. She just was born a boy.
     
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    Well yeah, she is a girl. Girls act like girl. But she's certainly very brave, it's not easy coming out.
     
  3. AndrogynousMale

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    I'm happy for her. She already looks like she's a strong person, so she'll have a good life ahead of her.
     
  4. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't the right wingers will bother with this thread as it deals with reality and the lives people are actually living - it's much too uncomfortable for them as they prefer their ignorance.
     
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    I was just thinking that. She is lucky to have understanding parents, too. They aren't trying to 'correct' her.
     
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    I think 11 is a little to young for this. If he/she decides later as they get older that this is how they want to live their life then that's fine but this just doesn't seem right to me.
     
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    What ignorance? WTF are you talking about? That we Conservatives do not know that some people are born into the wrong body? Sure we do. That was never a point; the point was not to encourage little kids at the age of seven to change their name and to think of themselves as a person of opposite sex. If it happens, it happens, people do get born with various deceases and disorders.

    Oh, and I'm still agains letting kids with little johnies using girl's facilities. Adamantly against.
     
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    Oh I am sure they will they look for anything to show off how stupid they are. You have to realize bigotry and ignorance has no rules for these keyboard commandos we have here.
     
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    It's certainly as unnatural.
     
  10. Polydectes

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    I don't really get the importance of whether or not this is a choice. Let's say it is. What right does anyone have to interfere with the choice of somebody else?

    That isn't really what we ought to be fighting. The fact that they have the right to choose to be or rather be whatever, and who ever they want.

    Who cares if it's a choice?
     
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    An 11 year old? Really? You condone 11 year olds running around as transgendered?

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    You're happy that an 11 year old child is this screwed up?

    Our society is crumbling faster than anyone could have predicted.
     
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    That's just your perception. Not all of us choose to live in fear of those who are different.
     
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    I don't think I ever mentioned condoning anything. I don't reallyhave the right to condone anything she isn't my kid. I am not her parents. They know what is best for her. Do you support the state kidnapping her? If not than what difference does your condoning make? I don't know what I would do if this was my son. I would want what is best for him. He is no longer 11 years old. But I can't say what I would do in that situation. Beating them straight doesn't work, counciling doesn't work. What would you do? Not allow them to be who they want to be? My mother will tell you that isn't an option.

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    Yeah, us simply not hating or being ridiculously blind to things that have always been doesn't seem to be spelling doom for us.
     
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    Neither is. If it was their bodies would not prepare for procreation when sexually stimulated as all humans do. Its an abomination to brainwash a child this way before puberty.
     
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    If they let and encourage a little boy to go on thinking and acting like he's a little girl, they obviously are just as misguided as the kid. That kind of parenting is inexcusable.
     
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    I would teach him that there is a biological difference between a male and a female and if he cant come to terms with that, I'd enlist the assistance of a qualified mental health professional.
     
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    Different is relative. Supporting, condoning and encouraging a perverted behavior is causing harm to society and modern civilization in general. The unwillingness to uphold standards and societal norms is ruining civilization as a whole.
     
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    well thanks for your opinion but I don't think it matters to them.
     
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    most likely both of those things would fail.

    the part which thinks this person is female, isn't the genitalia it's the brain. my son is fully aware that there are biological differences between males and females. should his mind not reconcile with that then what is my recourse?

    I know you think these people are deranged you have every right to think that. I'm not saying I would be okay with it. I never said I would condone it. I remember saying I wouldn't know what to do. trying to brainwash them into beingwhat I can accept to me is an ethical problem. where as letting him wear a pink shirt and grow long hair isn't.

    I had long hair I had a couple pink shirts I look damn good in pink.

    I don't think any amount of counseling will change them. is it would I think they would have went that way. I can't begin to imagine what this is like.

    discouraging bad behavior is one thing stifling personal expression will turn that kid into a monster.
     
  20. Polydectes

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    Society needs to adjust. Masculinity is a gender identity. Not a sex. The concept of gender (meaning masculine and feminine) really serves no purpose. Your insistence that it does and you are a pervert if you don't adhere to this charlemagne period nonsense is no longer flying. If a boy or a man changes his name to Jasmine, puts on a dress and expresses his feminine identity, I don't see how that effects society in any way. It was funny when Monty python did it
    No, it's only ruining your ideal. That's okay, you see, you will be gone some day and it won't matter. Everything else will continue.
     
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    I'm not sure why society needs to adjust. Society propagates itself through heterosexual sex. That's fundamental biology and anything else is artificial. Masculine and feminine are encoded in our DNA, with an absolute definite purpose. Homosexuality does affect society, absolutely. The question is does it harm, help or have a neutral affect on society?
     
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    I don't know how feminine men and masculine women would stop that from being true. Why a man needs to "act manly" to properly mate. If he wears a dress doeshis sperm disappear?
    Sorry gender identities are artificial.
    No, they absolutely are not. Let's say we got rid of masculine and feminine identities all together. We all were gender neutral. Would females not produce eggs? Would makes nit produce sperm? Dogs don't have gender identities, they manage to reproduce just fine, why would humans not?
    Well I don't see why this is at all relevant. Homosexuals desire people of the same sex. Gender identity plays no role in that whatsoever.

    Let's put it this way. If a man decided to wear dresses, and call himself Jasmine and preferred that pronouns be feminine, yethe married a woman and had kids with her would those kids some how not be real? And if not, I don't see how you can say at all that his feminine gender identity is anything but all in his head.

    I can't tell the difference between a female cat and a male cat without looking at their anatomy. They are gender neutral they are just cats. The Molly cats don't wear dresses and get their nails done if you name a mollycat hank and a tom mates with it does it still have kittens? If so, why do gender identities even matter?

    What does a Molly do that is feminine? Does it climb a tree girly? Only it's sex matters it's identity, if it even has one doesn't.

    Btw I am gay and I can have children.
     
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    I really wonder how the (*)(*)(*)(*) a kid can know that they're "really a woman" before hitting puberty. If "Jazz" decides he likes chick, will that make him a lesbian?

    Let's hope they don't chop this kid's balls off or give him hormonal suppressing treatments before he can even contemplate what he's getting into. All in the name of equality :roll:
     
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    I have a friend high school her name is Beth. she married a nice man named Michael. 3 years into their marriage Michael broke down and told Beth he really feels like he's a woman. beth was bothered she was disturbed but she supported him she loves him when he became jasmine they remained married and still are today. Beth doesn't call herself a lesbian. jasmine is still male but she has very nice curves. She hasn't undergone any surgery not sure she will.

    I asked jasmine how long did she feel like she was a woman she said since she was 5 years old. well I knew I was gay when I was 7 so it doesn't seem that far fetched to me.
     
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    I can't belive we are debating a 11 yo willingly changing sex. It never happen before the lgbt crowd started to push their lifestyle in the media. Anyway while they may be difference in more or less viril behaviour this insanity never happen in proper family with decent education
    A 11 y.o can't decide to change sex. Now a underage did a permanent mistake thanns to the lgbt family or entourage
     

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