Gaza Agreement ; Hamas prepares for unity government.

Interesting. Except the Jews were not expelled en masse from Palestine. In fact they mostly stayed in Palestine.

 

Irrelevant; by 1850, 96 percent of the people were Arabs. Jews were an insignificant minority.

Except that Jews were in possession of only 6% of the land by 1948.

http://domino.un.org/maps/m0094.jpg

 

People keep mentioning zionist immigration but fail to mention illegal arab muslim immigration to the region which was never documented, explaining the population explosion. The stats also reflect what I have been saying all along that the majority were 'arab' christians, not muslims, and many were absorbed into the israeli and jordanian populations.

 

I must believe that on behalf of Palestinians you are being merciful and truthful when you suggest they to be stupid and violent. But am I to also believe that there is no bias in your measure of Israel?

 

Dr MLK would have been the last person to support Israel if he though zionism was land theft. The Jewish zionists (from both europe and yemen/iraq turned a wasteland, their ancestral homeland into a blossoming, prosperous state. People forget that palestine was literally crap, in terrible conditions prior to zionist irrigation projects and cultivation of the land. Again, they bought it, they didn't steal it.

It was the arab israeli war that caused the refugee problem. And the arab nations that attacked Israel treated their own jewish populations like blank, even prior to Israel. Although even after still wouldn't excuse it. That would be like saying, "Hey, those zionists made Israel and stole palestine! Lets massacre our own citizens in response!" Infact, thats exactly what they did.

 

I thought you saying that Jews should have some sort of claim to this land, because of their history.

If some Jews wanted a state in Botswana, and the people who live there didn't mind, I certainly wouldn't oppose it.

Why would you?

 

Anyway, back to the OP, Hamas should have no part in the government, neither should fatah really either because of its ties to al aqsa martyrs brigade and its failure to condemn their islamic suicide bombings of past.

Thats why this is a sectarian conflict, there are no 'palestinian jews'. Its Israeli Jew vs. Palestinian arab muslim (and to some extent, christians who support radical islam which itself is a contradiction in christianity).

I have no problem with peaceful muslims. Hamas doesn't make the cut. Neither does Fatah, its tied to the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. Arafat also praised Yahya Ayash publicly in a massive demostration. The architect.

 

Because botswana has never been and is not the ancestral homeland of jews. Its a black african nation with absolutely no ties to the jewish people. It would be nonsense. It would be like setting up a jewish state in iceland. lol

Still ancestry, dna, or whatever obviously doesn't justify land claims. I'm just putting it out there. It does however make sense for jews to want a state in their own ancestral homeland. Again, much of the land was purchased from the turks who owned it. They thought the jewish zionists were insane so they said sure, we will sell it to you, its a dump.

 

any idea where it was taking ?

 

Wasn't that entire area part of the Ottoman empire for five hundred years? And didn't the Ottomans attack France and England? And weren't they beaten and driven back to Turkey? And wasn't it then war spoils belonging to England and France in the early 1900's? And weren't Jews basically homeless and nationless after WW2? Was it not a match then made in heaven...even prophecy? It is perfectly sensible for Israel to have been reborn or re-instituted.

 

I really don't see why you think it would be any of your business, to tell other people where they can and cannot set up a state.

If any group of people, want to set up a state anywhere in the world, and the people who already live there don't mind, I don't see what business it would be of mine.

It makes more sense for any group of people to set up a state where the people who live there don't mind, rather than to set up a state where the people who live there object.

6% is not ''much of the land.''

 

Of course it was perfectly sensible. I don't agree with the early zionist terrorist groups like Irgun or Hagannah (but they didn't target civilians in the king david hotel). Hamas and Al-Aqsa brigades target innocent civilians in suicide bomings. Israel has every right to exist i just don't agree with all of the tactics of the early zionist terrorist groups like irgun. Later these tactics were denounced by israelis.

 

I don't see why that should justify expelling innocent families from their land and homes.

Care to explain?

 

Luck of the draw. You can't please everyone.

 

You don't have to support the ideology of taking by force from some people, to give to others.

You could choose to support respect of negative rights instead.

 

Dusty1000; et al,

After the passage and adoption of General Assembly Resolution 181(II) in 1947, the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) [as if Sheik Izz ad-din al-Qassam (Hero of modern day HAMAS) and his Palestinian Black Hand had not made it plain enough already) made it dynamically clear, and as much as said they would be the fifth columnist puppets for the Arab League in opposition to the Resolution:

I think this makes it more than plain --- that on implementation of the Resolution, (among other aspects) there was going to be the grave potential for the HoAP to rise up from behind the defending Jewish Forces and create a rear area security problem. The HoAP, in no uncertain terms, put down in writing the true color and nature of the movement - with a lethal propensity.

(COMMENT)

The Middle East Conflict today between the Israelis and the HoAP is an extension of this Arab solemn oath - pledged - of more than a half century ago. You can see in the HAMAS Covenant the direct linkage it makes to the insurgency started by Sheik al-Qassam (the martyr and his brethren the fighters, members of the Moslem Brotherhood); and you can taste it in the Palestinian National Charter when it stipulates that "Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. This it is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase."

No matter what aspect of the conflict you are talking about, no matter where on the timeline from the HoAP solemn pledge forward, remember that, the hostile intent and potential threat of the Palestine is exactly the same today as it was then; or even in the time of Sheik al-Qassam (the namesake for the Brigades in the military wing of HAMAS; and the steel artillery rocket developed and deployed by them, fired indiscriminately into Israel). While they claim to be a victim, then as now, they are - - a population that supports intentional acts which, given their nature or context, are aimed at seriously intimidating a population, or seriously destabilizing, or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organization. They are not the perpetual victim that they masquerade as, but a population that openly embraced a government that organizes, instigates, facilitates, participates in, finances, encourages hostile and violent acts intended to be committed against other States or their citizens. They are not the victim they get up on stage and claim to be, but the people that take their children to training camps, in preparation for al-Qassam Brigade integration and terrorist activities.

Then - as now, the HoAP was a threat and still openly demonstrates the are a threat. The goal of Rear Area Protection (RAP) is to provide security to citizens and facilities in order to insure freedom of logistical flow, continuous combat and combat service support, and unimpeded movement of units throughout the rear area. The rapid displacement of Fifth Columnist, from out behind the defense forces, minimize damage to all friendly forces and facilities; as well as, separates the HoAP from the striking distance of civilian and unarmed citizens not participating in the engagement.

(COMMENT)

This is an attempt to call the 1948/49 displacement of refugees, insurgent threats, potential guerrilla warriors, Jihadist, Fedayeen and terrorists as: Apartheid. Well it is not. It is nothing of the sort. This is, again, the HoAP crying "victim!"

But I do support the separation, quarantine and containment of a people, with a very distinctive history of past criminal behaviors; which even the Palestinian cannot deny. Remember, these poor, poor, victims are the ones that proclaim:

• 
  ARTICLE 13:
• Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.
• There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.

Don't be fooled. These are not victims, but carefully camouflaged HoAPs. Don't support Jihadist, or tolerate anyone who does.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

So, are the Palestinians the only people you support the forcible displacement of?

Or are there any other populations you also support the forcible displacement of?

And, what about the Palestinians who are citizens of Israel?

Do you think Israel should also expel them?

 

Dusty1000, et al,

Maybe you didn't read it all.

(COMMENT)

I do support the separation, quarantine and containment of a people, with a very distinctive history of past criminal behaviors.

I support those populations, and nations that cooperate fully in the fight against terrorism, in accordance with our obligations under international law ((A/RES/60/288 - Global Counter-Terrorism Strategy)), in order to find, deny safe haven and bring to justice, on the basis of the principle of extradite or prosecute, any person who supports, facilitates, participates or attempts to participate in the financing, planning, preparation or perpetration of terrorist acts or provides safe havens.

I Don't support Jihadist or Fedayeen, or tolerate anyone who does.

Now, if that describes a citizen of the Arab State of Palestine; then so be it.

(COMMENT)

You will notice, that I make a distinction in my commentaries between HoAP (Hostile Arab Palestinians), and NvAP (Non-Violent Arab Palestinians). I don't believe we have discussed Israelis of Palestinian Descent (IoPD). I am not truly aware of any IoPD which are Jihadist or Fedayeen; or openly supported the Jihadist or Fedayeen. I suppose domestic Israeli law would cover those situations should they arise.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

I did read it all.

Yes, I read that. I accept that you support ''the separation, quarantine and containment of a people, with a very distinctive history of past criminal behaviours.''

But that's not what I am asking. People can be ''separated, quarantined and contained'' without being displaced.

What I am asking is, do you support the displacement of Palestinian families, or not?

No, I didn't notice that, as you didn't mention ''NvAP (Non-Violent Arab Palestinians)'' in your response to my post.

But you do support the displacement of, or at least the ''containment, quarantine and separation'' of non-violent Palestinian families as well though, don't you?

I mean, you aren't suggesting that every Palestinian who has been displaced, particularly the women and children, have been violent towards Israel, are you?

I thought we were discussing all Palestinians, or at least those who have been displaced, Muslims, Christians, women and children et al.

 

Sure. Jews saw no justification in their genocide in Europe, and forced expulsion from Europe and Arab countries. They saw no justification in being treated as dhimmi in Sharia law nations and being constantly called Khafir by Muslims and spit on and beaten and treated as infidel. So they started their own country.

Anything else?

 

You didn't even mention the expulsion of innocent Palestinian families from their homes, far less explain why you think their expulsion was justified.

 

The population increase is explained by natural factors, such as better living conditions and NOT by illegal immigration from elsewhere.

 

Palestine was a garden before 1947, it was not literlally crap, in fact it was a major cash crop exporter for the region.

The Israelis started the Arab/ Israeli war. Not the arabs.

 

Yes they decided to take the land and expell nearly a million people and move into their homes. Being a mix of religiously and tribaly motivated brutalised people from europe they seen it as justified that since they had been mistreated it was ok for them to do the same to others.

 

HoAP?

Hamas charter ?? PA charter?

Completely bigoted and inaccurate nonsense.