Poll-62% of Americans support a pathway to citizenship for the undocumented

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  1. Gorn Captain

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    By SEUNG MIN KIM | 6/10/14 12:02 AM EDT

    More than 60 percent of Americans back a pathway to citizenship for immigrants living here illegally — winning support from majorities of Democrats, Republicans and independents, according to a sweeping new poll to be released Tuesday.

    When it comes to undocumented immigrants, 62 percent of Americans believe they should be allowed to gain citizenship if they meet certain requirements, while 17 percent would support green cards but not citizenship for them. Meanwhile, 19 percent think the undocumented immigrants should be deported.


    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/...to-citizenship-poll-107613.html#ixzz34EmMJ0zX

    Please note, no matter how you slice it? ONLY 19% support deportation. You can dicker and haggle over "certain requirements"....but the VAST majority of Americans do NOT support the Hard Right's position on the current population of undocumented immigrants.

    Even "green cards but no citizenship" goes against the kind of rhetoric you see on blogs and on Rightwing Radio.
     
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    Thats because obama and pals are lying to every single American when they claim there needs to be a "pathway to citizenship".

    There already is a pathway to citizenship, and has been for 30+ years. The democrats and illegals simply dont give a damn about American laws rules and regulations.


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  3. Dutch

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    Gorn, did you know that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" ? I can not think of better application of this aphorism to what Liberals are doing to this country...
     
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    The poll was conducted by a far left front group known as the Public Religion Research Institute.

    The left dreams of undermining America by flooding it with needy people from poor countries who want government handouts.
     
  5. Skillz

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    Poll-62% of Americans support a pathway to citizenship for the undocumented demrats


    Horse (*)(*)(*)(*).

    I don't buy this for a second.
     
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    Whoopidydoo

    A sample size of 1,538, conducted by a couple of obscure organizations.
     
  7. Marine1

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    One has to wonder how many would still feel that way if the knew what is happening right now? We have finally lost control of our borders. Thousands of kids are coming in without their parents and thousands more mothers are coming in with their children and no father. All know family will follow soon. The word is out, if you can make it across the border, your home free, they won't deport you.
     
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    Only 60 percent of the politico horde wants to give these criminals the vote?
     
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    The stat is questionably bias and obviously untruthful.

    We are in a free fall into collapse, and you people want to toss more anchors on the pile. Logic and common sense isn't even allowed in these discussions any more since there is fabricated statistical evidence proving the country has lost it's damn mind, if one believes such nonsense. :roll:
     
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    This should be scaring the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of every American citizen.
     
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    There already is, it is called immigration law.
     
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    Focus on the thread topic.

    Stop the personal innuendo.
     
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    Since October 47,000 unaccompanied Central American children have crossed the border into Arizona! Is this insane or what?

    ACKLAND AFB, Texas | DMN – President Barack Obama is calling tens of thousands of illegal-immigrant children languishing in temporary U.S. holding pens an ‘urgent humanitarian situation,’ but Republicans are pointing the finger of blame squarely at the White House. Obama instituted an immigration policy that the GOP says enticed tens of thousands of Central American children to cross America’s southern border illegally without any parents to guide them. More than 33,000 have been picked up in Texas alone since October. The U.S. border patrol says its forces are overwhelmed, and the courts are bracing for a flood of immigration cases from children held in temporary detention facilities designed to handle a fraction of the numbers. Sanitation problems are beginning to rear their ugly heads.

    Obama rolled out a controversial Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program in 2012, allowing many illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as minors to escape deportation for two years. The White House gave them another two-year window last week. As a result, say some GOP leaders, America’s system for handling illegal immigration has been strained to the breaking point and is attracting hundreds of new illegal-immigrant children every day. Compared to the year before Obama’s policy took effect, twelve times as many kids are coming north illegally this year. A half-century-old section of a U.S. Air Force base in Texas is now a holding and processing center for thousands of children who managed to enter the U.S. alone. The same is true of a Navy base in California. And a makeshift detention center in Arizona holding 700 illegal immigrant children has ordered 2,000 mattresses to keep up with an expected influx in the coming months.

    Many of the children there were sleeping on plastic boards. According to the Associated Press, toothbrushes and toothpaste hadn’t arrived yet and were expected Monday. Hundreds of children had not bathed in days, and were taking turns using just four showers. Tony Banegas, Honduras’ honorary consul in Phoenix, told the AP that there were 236 Honduran children there on Saturday, including an 8-year-old. Republicans on Capitol Hill are beyond angry. Leaked photos from the base, which were obtained by the Breitbart.com news blog, show hundreds of children holed up in crowded concrete rooms, many of them sleeping on the bare floor without blankets or pillows. ‘The recent surge of children and teenagers from Central America showing up at our southern border is an administration-made disaster,’ Virginia GOP Rep. Bob Goodlatte, who chairs the House Judiciary Committee, told Fox News last week. ‘Word has gotten out around the world about President Obama’s lax immigration enforcement policies and it has encouraged more individuals to come to the United States illegally,’ Goodlatte said in a statement. ‘Enforcement at the border and in the interior of the U.S.,’ not ‘another bureaucratic task force’ is needed, he claimed.

    Arizona Rep. Paul Gosar, who sits on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said Friday that ‘instead of having an application of the immigration law, we are taking mothers and children and dumping them … and violating the rule over and over.’ The Obama administration expects as many as 80,000 of these ‘unaccompanied minors’ to cross the border in 2014, according to the Christian Science Monitor. That number is twelve times what it was in 2011, the year before Obama announced his deferred-action plan. The administration now estimates the holding facilities where the youngsters are being held cost taxpayers $252 per child per day, far more than the cost of a hotel and more than the children could expect to earn in two weeks of hard work picking crops, work that many were slated to do.

    Many of the children there were sleeping on plastic boards. According to the Associated Press, toothbrushes and toothpaste hadn’t arrived yet and were expected Monday. Hundreds of children had not bathed in days, and were taking turns using just four showers. Tony Banegas, Honduras’ honorary consul in Phoenix, told the AP that there were 236 Honduran children there on Saturday, including an 8-year-old. Republicans on Capitol Hill are beyond angry. Leaked photos from the base, which were obtained by the Breitbart.com news blog, show hundreds of children holed up in crowded concrete rooms, many of them sleeping on the bare floor without blankets or pillows. ‘The recent surge of children and teenagers from Central America showing up at our southern border is an administration-made disaster,’ Virginia GOP Rep. Bob Goodlatte, who chairs the House Judiciary Committee, told Fox News last week. ‘Word has gotten out around the world about President Obama’s lax immigration enforcement policies and it has encouraged more individuals to come to the United States illegally,’ Goodlatte said in a statement. ‘Enforcement at the border and in the interior of the U.S.,’ not ‘another bureaucratic task force’ is needed, he claimed.

    Arizona Rep. Paul Gosar, who sits on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said Friday that ‘instead of having an application of the immigration law, we are taking mothers and children and dumping them … and violating the rule over and over.’ The Obama administration expects as many as 80,000 of these ‘unaccompanied minors’ to cross the border in 2014, according to the Christian Science Monitor. That number is twelve times what it was in 2011, the year before Obama announced his deferred-action plan. The administration now estimates the holding facilities where the youngsters are being held cost taxpayers $252 per child per day, far more than the cost of a hotel and more than the children could expect to earn in two weeks of hard work picking crops, work that many were slated to do.

    Facing the question of whether to deport the minors or play a game of catch-and-release, the administration has set aside $2 million to pay for their lawyers. ‘We’re taking a historic step to strengthen our justice system and protect the rights of the most vulnerable members of society,’ Attorney General Eric Holder said Friday in a statement. ‘How we treat those in need, particularly young people who must appear in immigration proceedings – many of whom are fleeing violence, persecution, abuse or trafficking – goes to the core of who we are as a nation.’ Obama’s ‘deferred action’ program for minors, which he announced in a fanfare-laden June 15, 2012 Rose Garden press conference, applies only to children who came to America before mid-2007. ‘It makes no sense to expel talented young people, who, for all intents and purposes, are Americans,’ the president said then. But Capitol Hill is rife with fears that the message was garbled by the time it reach Guatemala, Honduras and other countries where poverty runs rampant. Many children traveling north on their own hope the policy will include them.

    That’s what ‘coyotes,’ the smugglers who bring them in, are telling them to expect, according to Tania Chavez, a representative with La Union del Pueblo Entero, told KRGV-TV. in southern Texas. The minors flooding over the border are often teenagers leaving behind poverty or violence in Mexico and other parts of Central America such as Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala. With the president traveling in Europe last week, there have been no press briefings at the White House where questions might be put to outgoing press secretary Jay Carney. But Obama met privately Monday morning with a group of nurses from across the country ‘to discuss the importance of passing commonsense immigration reform,’ according to the White House.

    The Associated Press reported Monday that in a May 30 memo to the National Security Council’s transborder security directorate, Border Patrol Deputy Chief Ronald Vitiello warned that the influx of unexpected illegals has stretched the border patrol beyond reason. But releasing them or reuniting them with family members in the United States would serve as ‘incentives to additional individuals to follow the same path.’ Republicans angered about the situation point to a federal judge who castigated the Obama administration for relaxing its immigration policy and encouraging human traffickers. In a December ruling, U.S. District Judge Andrew Hansen ripped the Department of Homeland Security for releasing a Salvadoran girl to her mother – a woman who had hired a smuggler to transport her daughter into the U.S., and was herself in the country illegally. of \ Hansen wrote that ‘this court is quite concerned with the apparent policy of the Department of Homeland Security of completing the criminal mission of those who are violating the border security of the United States.’ ‘The DHS,’ he added, ‘should enforce the laws of the United States – not break them.’

    In a related case, the El Paso Times reported Monday that a Catholic charity was assisting 130 illegal immigrant children flown to El Paso, Texas. Many were traveling with their parents when they were apprehended trying to cross the U.S.-Mexico border. One Guatemalan woman named Maria, who enter the United States with her two children, told the Times that she wanted to go to Tennessee to reunite with her sister. Immigration officials, she said, had released her from custody and let her travel north. ‘Immigration told me, “You are free, you can leave”,’ she said.

    http://www.sodahead.com/fun/since-o...sed-the-border-into-arizona/question-4359859/
     
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    Which DOES NOT MEAN, just "handing" them citizenship, despite your desperate pretenses otherwise.
     
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    It should be, but the news organizations, outside of Fox, isn't giving it the coverage it should have. I don't know if it will even matter to Liberals. They are only looking at it one way.
     
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    One thing for sure - there's no plan for mass deportation. That isn't included in anyone's so-called comprehensive proposal. That will never be put before Congress for a vote.

    Aside from your straw man, count me in as one for a pathway to citizenship. Deport the criminals.
     
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    Here's some important questions to ask ...


    Do you believe REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS....believe in that polling data?

    Or do you think they easily dismiss it?

    or even believe in it....but are willing to stick with the 19%???

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    YouLie, you might want to check...many on the Right would include ALL undocumented immigrants as "criminals" and want them ALL deported.
     
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    The GOP should be there handing out soup and blankets. Think of the money being spent trying to combat the Democrat-Media complex on the issue vs. the money they could spend making the kids and mothers more comfortable right now. I'd send a check.
     
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    I think politicians are capable of any low or stupid thing.

    So repub leaders in washington can be influenced by bogus leftwing polls.
     
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    Notice the Left ignores the posts showing we have lost control of our border and these immigrants are flooding in here. They don't care. The more the better.
     
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    I understand that position, but it isn't at all practical. It would never be taken seriously. Deport criminals. That's a winner.
     
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    I'm astonished! POLITICO has produced a poll that says Americans want to give citizenship to all the illegal alien scum that invade our country?! :eekeyes: How can that be?! A fine, unbiased, objective organization like Politico?! :eekeyes:

    How can I put this delicately...? If Politico told us with certainty that the sun wasn't going to rise tomorrow, I wouldn't even bother to put fresh batteries in my ****ing flashlight....
     
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    Because of the influx of children, Border Patrol agents are being pulled out of the field on the border to help deal with the crisis, leaving even more of the border wide open.

    "We have all of these juveniles so they're pulling agents out of the field to come in and babysit them basically," a source said. "They're cancelling some of our specialty details for our crews who go out and work the mountains, calling them back in and telling them they have to work the processing center because there are so many people in there."

    Border Agents in Nogales have been told FEMA trailers left over from Hurricane Katrina are being sent to the area to provide additional housing. According to sources, half of the top parking lot at the Nogales station has been cleared for their arrival. When asked, FEMA officials did not provide on the record comment on trailers being shipped for housing, but did say resources are being sent to help address the immediate needs of unaccompanied children. President Obama has called on FEMA to divert resources to the crisis, but there has been no announcement from the administration about how this crisis will be stopped from getting worse or handled long term.
    "This is a humanitarian crisis," an agent said.
     
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    That would only work if being nice to Latinos wouldn't backfire on Republicans with their Base.

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    Yes, Mac...the poll is "bogus". Obviously 62% of Americans WANT mass deportation.

    If only you could find ONE poll that showed that.
     

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