Uke Cargo Plane Downed 49 Dead

Putin believes that people should have self determination, and if he can make Russia attractive to them, then why shouldn't they unite with Russia. Others like the U.S. believe people should not have that choice. If they decide to go their own way and not to bow to the powers that be, then they should suffer the consequences... like for instance: Syria, Libya, Eastern Ukraine.

 

Right...It must be one of his "new" beliefs then, he did not believe that when he was carpet bombing Chechen towns and villages.

 

Let me ask you something, why hasn't the government in Kiev asked for an impartial investigation in Odessa by international inspectors, what are they afraid of?

The same thing with the snipers in Maidan. The bullets that killed the protesters and police came from the same gun and was fired from a building which was occupied by the 'Right Sector'. Again, why weren't international inspectors asked to look at all the evidence, instead the junta came out with their own report which hadn't taken any of the evidence collected into account.

As for your BBC link, they like the U.S. mainstream corporate media have been caught in lies, and like the corporate media have a tendency of presenting only half the news depending on which parts conforms to the U.S./British line. As one reporter in the New York Times stated: "I thought our job was to question the government, not to please the government."

 

Huh? LOL no government on the planet has ever throughout the history requested an international investigation of a domestic riot, violence, criminal activities....Get real Jeannette...if that's your best attempt at the rebuttal, it's not even weak, it's absurd and laughable.


PS not that you'd believe an international investigation even if it took place....Just like you did not take the overwhelming condemnation of Russia by the entire world, expressed through the UN vote seriously. So stop finding excuses and justifications of Russia's and pro-Russian thugs' criminal activities and face the reality, it's high time.

 

Who is responsible for those phosphorus and cluster bombs ?

And those artillery attacks on residential buildings, hospitals and orphanages too ?

Please correct any misconception I may have that the use of uber military hardware on a civilian non combatant population is not one sides.
No one seems to remember that mean old pro Russian government in Kiev that was removed by putsch never called out the military against the "demonstrators" ala neo-Kiev or Tienanmen Square.

Remove the labels, review the actions and You Tell Moi who are the good and bad guys.
I have not been so ashamed of America and its' lies since Vietnam before the media got wise.
Remember Walter Cronkite going editorial? I do.
And once he reported a body count and as he slide the page away he said: "if you can believe that".
The West is void of a free and independent News Media.
Just like Vietnam circa 1963, 1964. Too much "rah - rah" our side. Not enough Knowledge.


Moi
With Liberty and Justice for All

r > g
is what it is about.
GermanBank making Ukraine their next Greece !

No
They invade politely.​

 

Would you call the U.S. and Israel thugs, because they both have had universal condemnations?

 

I don't call Russia a thug because they have universal condemnations, I call Russia a thug because their behavior and actions are and have always been thuggish.



I brought up the UN to merely demonstrate that no amount of internal or international investigations would convince you of what the entire world already knows, the fighting and shooting in Odessa was started by pro-Russian thugs and criminals who attacked a peaceful pro-Ukrainian demonstration, spilled the first blood and at the end of the day the criminals merely got more than what they bargained for.

 

You're kidding, right?

The side-by-side frames you refer to are shot in different lighting situations. One is shot in sunny conditions and the other in the shadow of the police van. THAT'S why the hair looks darker. THAT'S why the pants are darker.

I invite anyone to do as you say and freeze the video. They can then see for themselves your debunking 'skills'.

While they're at it, they can watch the girls filling bottles with gas for molotov cocktails to be thrown at the building.

 

The guy on the right wears blue jeans, there is a lot of blue color in the image on the left but not a shade, not a spot of blue in the guy's pants. Give me a break..


That being said it was a mere demonstration of the nonsense that video is. Even if it's the same guy it's entirely unimportant. The clown narrating the video provided zero evidence of Odessa police involvement and even less evidence that the Odessa police was acting under orders from the Kiev government.


What part of zero evidence don't you understand? LOL

 

So now, after I debunked your debunking, you want to backpeddle and say it's unimportant?

Thanks, I needed a good laugh!!

Watch the video, folks. See for yourselves.

 

You debunked absolutely nothing, the pants are of different colors, totally different, there is not a shade of blue color on the pants of the guy on the left. Others in the picture wear blue clothes but not him. LOL and still the entire video is an exercise in logical fallacy and baseless unconfirmed factless allegations with zero hard evidence to back them up.

 

Watch the video, folks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4dJRnI-X8Q&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

So the children and elderly people got what they bargained for? But they weren't armed? They were told to go in the building to get away from the Right Sector, not realizing they were being entrapped. Inside there were thugs waiting for them. There are pictures with only the top part of the bodies burned so they couldn't be recognized. There was a pregnant worker on the phone begging for help, and a voice could be heard saying she's only a worker but let's kill her anyway, she should be home with her kids. They even know who her killer was, because there is a picture of a man standing by the window where she was killed waving to the cheering crowd.

There was a woman who was raped before being set on fire and according to the witnesses, most of the atrocities had occurred in the basement, and yet those bodies were not included in the count. When they escaped the fire they were hacked by the murderers. There is even a video of young girls being taught how to make Molotov cocktails so they could be thrown at the building. Are you telling me they only went to Odessa for the games?

If these protesters were armed do you think those animals would have been able to attack them that way? Yet in the protests at Maidan, the police were being set on fire and they weren't allowed to respond by Yanukovich, so where is the justification?

[video=youtube;Mw2Acnp7sBU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw2Acnp7sBU[/video]

[video=youtube;WSFK5tx6ZC8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSFK5tx6ZC8[/video]

 

You don't get to be a powerful country without being a thug.

 

The pro-Russian criminals who attacked a peaceful pro-Ukrainian demonstration, who shot and killed innocent pro-unity soccer fans got more then what they bargained for....Are you saying they brought human shields with them? Well that's the first time I hear about it but that does not surprise me at all, they are not considered by the entire world to be thugs, criminals and terrorists for nothing, you know.

 

absolutely, and pay attention how the pants on the dude are of different color (at 2:27 - 2:30) and more importantly how one minute later the video absolutely fails to make a case that the Odessa police is involved and yet immediately jumps to the conclusion that they are acting on Kiev government orders without providing a shred of evidence.

 

It sure seems to me this story is being "blacked out" as best as they can.
I heard it on Al Jazeera and conducted repeated searches before I could find
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/06/ukraine-hits-back-after-rebels-down-plane-201461412364266882.html

Ukraine hits back after rebels down plane​

Kiev launches air strikes against rebels after military transport plane is shot down near Luhansk, killing 49 people.

The Ukrainian military has launched air strikes against separatist strongholds in the country's eastern region following the shooting-down of a transport plane that killed 49 people.

The military on Saturday targeted rebel checkpoints in Luhansk and a military base that had been taken over by pro-Russian separatists, in retaliation for the downing of the plane.

"It's a very dangerous development here," Al Jazeera's Kim Vinnell, reporting near Luhansk, said. "Separatists in Luhansk are very much in control of the city, and they say that they are going to meet this attack with everything that they have got."

And in the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave
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YOU tell Moi, who are the bad guys here ?
Have the pro Russians attacked non military persons?
Maybe the separatist should bring the terror to Kiev !


Moi
I have not been so disgusted with my America since Vietnam time, 1964.


r > g

No ​

 

Why would they need human shields? Your guys, as you say, were PEACEFUL soccer fans.

 

The pro-Ukraine demonstration was peaceful until they were brutally attacked, shot and a few of them were murdered.

 

This is a war. Crimes committed in Odessa are not forgotten. That plain did not carry chocolate for Russian kids and the guys in Lugansk knew this.

 

It is a war and war crimes committed by pro-Russian thugs in Odessa have already been punished. It is a war and the Eastern Ukraine army of thugs, terrorists and criminals is next.

 

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