Russian terrorists armed with "Stinger-like" missiles shot down a military plane

Don't you love the hypocrisy and lies, and the way they say the Russians are the ones who are trying to enslave the inhabitants, when the exact opposite is true, and it's the Polish Maidans who want the continuous enslavement of the indigenous 'Rus', that way they won't lose their subsidies.

Since satan is the father of all lies, it's only a matter of time before those who feed him will end up with their just rewards. So as the West continues in its la-la land of arrogance and immortality, Moscow is preparing for a war which is becoming more and more inevitable, as it is faced with an enemy who has no moral boundaries.

Lord, what fools these mortals be. William Shakespeare

 

And that the Crimea agreed to Kiev sovereignty in their Constitution not to mention the '94 Russian declaration that the Crimea is sovereign Ukrainian territory.

Well let's let by gone's be by gone's all of east Russia is legitimately Chinese land, and let's see little Putin do a thing about it, all oil rights off the coast of Siberia belong to the Chin and always have since antiquity.

 

Indeed not and on several other occasions. They just were not in their Empire making mood at that time

http://www.newvision.co.ug/mobile/Detail.aspx?NewsID=653969&CatID=4

 

Polish? only .3% of Ukraine is Poles.

most of them were shipped to Poland after WW2.

this wouldn't have happened if Hitler and Stalin didn't become best friends in 1938.

 

Secret protocol of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Poland was a joint Reich-Soviet invasion.

 

It is actually a good point, why Russia did not complain about this when Soviet Union collapsed.

 

Ah copying Golda Meir are you 'There are no Palestinians' cheap try

 

Well that must mean they never existed right? How shocking that a holocaust denier and overt anti-Semite would be the foremost denier of Ukrainian peoplehood.

It's a figment right Art? Is that your assertion?

 

Crimea would be still in Ukraine, if putch in Kiev did not happen and if there were no desire of Ukrainian government to join NATO. It is as simple as that- Russia does not want NATO ships in Russian Sevastopol.

 

Hmmm.... sounds like what happened to TWA flight 800 in New York in 1996. Of course, back then we had another dishonest cartel that knew it couldn't take another terrorist attack on its record and get reelected, so had the obvious terrorist act written off as a fuel tank leak. And a lot of suckers actually bought it.

 

Crimea was stolen by Khruschev and given to Ukraine, therefore it should have been given back when Ukraine split from the USSR. According to what you said though, the original owners of let's say homes and art work stolen by the Nazis should have no claim to them, or are we going to have double standards there too?

As for Crimea, it was settled by the Greeks, and later became part of Byzantium, (again Greek speaking), so if they gave Catherine the Great their blessings, then it belongs to Russia. So as the Israelis say, if you want the land, then come and get it. In the meantime the inhabitants of Crimea are Russian, and they have a right to their own self determination.

 

It is a reasonable point. Moreover, I don't hear too many Russian imperialist apologists sympathizing about the plight of people in places like Dagestan and Chechnya. But equally, following Putin's false flag killings in these places which were used as his justification to hold on to them, I didn't hear too many U.S imperialist apologists sympathizing with them either. Why? Because it suited the partisan 'war on terror' agenda of both parties.

 

They have been saying they want to be part of Nato for a long time and of course the EU. I think it is because once they join the EU Association Agreement, the Eurasia Union option is out.

 

Well this has to be, because if a president is concerned about his country, he would have to favor people who are beneficial to Russia, (like invest in Russia and pay their taxes), rather than the ones who don't. I mean look what was done to Ukraine? They robbed the country silly, with each one grabbing what they could for their own self interest.

I know the games in Socchi were mostly paid for by the Oligarchs, and they are the ones who will be investing and developing Crimea. Of course he's going to favor them.

 

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news Jeanette but a good president does what is best for his country. Ukraine is an independent country recognised worldwide including Crimea. In any case the EU has taken great care to alleviate any harm this will cause to Russia (to stop her being aggressive of course)

Oh right, so you think that instead of robbing from the Ukrainian citizens, ending that being the reason for Maidan, they should instead be giving their money to Russia. Twisted thinking Jeanette.

Russia has been fomenting civil war in Ukraine. She deserves to be shunned but as I said the EU are trying to hold her hand and sooth her down. Won't work of course because as you know and want, this lady with you as her clarion caller is on Empire Building.

 

What's the evidence for this?

 

There is plenty of evidence for it. try this for an opener

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=360793&page=8&p=1063982657#post1063982657

read both links

 

its been all over the news for months.

 

They were called RUSSIANS, they called themselves RUSSIANS, they still call themselves RUSSIANS.
Just open your eyes and look at the map I have already pasted!

This was not a Russian map, that was a French map, and they used names that were internationally accepted!

As we see, till the October Revolution even the Ukrainian peasants called themselves "Russian people" (Rus'kyi narod, руський наро&#1076, the Ukrainian identity did not exist till the 1917, and this identity was promoted by Western Ukrainians from Galicia.

So yes, there exist an Ukrainian citizenship, but the ethnic identity of most Ukrainians is Russian identity, because the grandfathers and grand-grand-fathers of today Ukrainians called themselves Rus'kyi narod, руський народ [English:Russian people].

Uneducated people, who do not know the history of Russia, are easily fooled into believing that Ukrainian identity existed before the October Revolution, and that the ancestors of today Ukrainians also called themselves Ukrainians.

But educated people should just do their own research and find out the truth about the history of "Ukraine" that only begins in 1917, because Ukraine was a creation of crazy and criminal Bolsheviks who needed allies to combat the Tsarist Russia.

 

crazy & criminal Bolsheviks that today's Russians worship like Gods.

 

NATO has been encroaching on Russian strategic interests for years- poking the Bear so to speak, at every opportunity. Crimea was the final straw and no one who has studied the situation was surprised when the Bear finally hit back.

Missile defense on Russian borders threatens the stability of the whole world.

Ukraine's motions towards NATO, threatening further destabilization of nuclear détente (in retrospect) was definitely not in the best interest of Ukraine.

 

Well, you cannot educate grown up uneducated people who a year ago did not know were Ukraine is situated, but today try to instigate hate between Russians and Ukrainians, using racial slur.

But any educated person can find out that most Ukrainians (even peasants) called themselves a century ago "Russian people", and they still have a Russian self-identification, even if they are Ukrainian citizens.

The Soviet propaganda was very inefficient in creating a separate and homogenius Ukrainian identity.

Yes, there is a difference between the Catholics in West Ukraine, who are former Poles, and the Orthodox Christians in South-East-Ukraine, who are former Russians.

If these Catholic in West Ukraine believe that there is a racial difference between them and Russians, and that it is OK to promote racial hatred towards Russians, then this is their right.
But in this case they will lose the parts of Ukraine and the population of this Ukraine that identify themselves as Russians.

As simple as that.

The Soviet creation "Ukraine" could only exist, because it preached the unity of Russians and Ukrainians, these two ethnic groups were pictured in the Soviet propaganda as twin brothers:



The Russian population of Ukraine accepted the new "Ukrainian" identity, because (according to the Soviet propaganda) there was no significant difference between the Russians and Ukrainians.

But the West-Ukrainians pushed after the collapse of the SU their racist agenda, they instigated hate against Russians, and that culminated in what we have today in Ukraine, because most Ukrainians still have a Russian identity, their ancestors called themselves "Russian people", and they were Russian citizens.

The more some fools instigate hate against Russians, the more there will be an ethnic, religious and linguistic in the artificial creation, called "Ukraine".

If the advisers of Obama wanted a civil war in the Ukraine, then they have achieved their goal.

If they are now surprised that so many Ukrainian citizens do not support the anti-Russian agenda of the West-Ukrainian-Junta, then they shall kick out their advisers, who are uneducated fool.

 

Another blanket statement about Russians.

If somebody said that Jew warship Ovadia Yosef, you would call him "anti-Somethng".

 

Yes, and the descendants of these Greeks call themselves Russians, but they have preserved the religion of their ancestors (Orthodox Christianity) and are using an alphabet that was derived from Greek (Cyrillic Alphabet).

The Tatars have nothing to do with the ancient population of Crimea, they were Muslim invaders.

Russians returned the original Greek names to all Crimean cities, but Tatars use different toponyms.

Why? Because these Muslim invaders did not have anything to do with the original history of this peninsula.

People, who believe that the Tatars are the native population of Crimea, are uneducated fools.

 

yeah, let us know when they move the Bolshevik leader out of his tomb in Red Square.